Is Catholicism Any Better Than Evangelicalism?

Here is a discussion I had with a Catholic about my book. See what you think.

6 comments:

John W. Loftus said...

If anyone wants to comment on my book here would be a good place to do it.

Cheers.

RichD said...

Sounds like your book is read quite a bit. It should, and doesn't, come as a surprise that any religion would do the same as this Catholic, mine included. And from my perspective the answer to your question is no I don't think it's any better. I would expect the same from both of those camps towards me also:)

AdamH said...

The thing about John's book that I have difficulty getting around is that after his string of rather superficially presented arguments about why he is not a Christian (and to be fair since he deals with so many arguments in only 480 pages he couldn't really give all that much time to each) he simply concludes that he is an atheist because everything is the result of chance.

Given that, I am unconvinced that he has any basis for even asking the question which is the subject of this post.

He might as well ask, "which is better, atheism or nihilism?"

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

darbea said...
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darbea said...

As soon as I saw the Catholic word, I jumped here faster than McCain on another desperate opportunity. When my brain caught up and saw the zealot word, I said, shit... Im gonna have to think a little on this on this one.
Can I pick another question, like maybe one on Bush?

I am straying a bit off topic, so I'll start out with the End of the Christian Church circa 313.
The Cathlolic Church, inspired by Constatine, had their first Concubine Council, where they determined creeds, and rutuals, revised mathematucal theory after announcing that one is three, or is it : 3 is one? They hijacked somebodie' castle, went inside , and only came out when they needed more money. They also invented the bible.

Claiming divinity, or maybe a baseball card, they made decisions, based on this special pixie dust they had, which books should be in , and which should be out. To ensure their credibility they omitted claims become invalidated. And little, aside from on-site witness sworn testimony, can erase enough reliable doubt. This was the end of a chance for a true Christian faith. They were wiped out - murdered - to enable the creation of the first corporation on the Earth.

I'm gonna stop the tour bus here. Others can pick up the history line, or expound on the various sects pre corporate merger - a few that actually could have been Jesus's (Paul's) intention. Nearly every tenant, practice, Executive Officers club, were directly based on other gnostic, egyptian, Greco-roman mythology, to name a few, models - those very theologies and rituals that they were murdering innocents for, literally on the other side of the door.

I'm short on time, I'm sure others will put the accredit tags on their post.

HOW THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AFFECTED MY FAMILY.

I am a descendant of Mennonites, my great great grandfather escaped Prussian oppression, sailed to America, and founded the Esat Bend Mennonite Church in Little Bend, Ill. (@1872) The story, (the full length version) is a source of immeasurable pride. It's part of those stories we were raised on, describing a major reason for American growth and 'soul' for lack of a better word. I didn't find this stuff out untill a few years ago, in my 40's. I never knew I was mennonite, paternally, because of mother father issues,in my infancy, and subsequently, never meeting or knowing my paternal side. My father never joined, nor his father (son of my immigrt g - g- grandfather. My father never knew his father - for he died in 1919 during the great flu epidemic, right before my father's birth.
I have met my cousins, where the rest of the family lives, in the Alsace-Lorraine. They are part of a large Mennonite community. My G-G- grandfather was the only one of the family who came over. The history is rich. I also discovered there was a group of people who shred our last name, who also lived in the Alscse-Lorraine, located in the northern region. We were in the south. about 100 or miles, i think.
All the Baechers in the north were Catholic - and neither the Mennonite clan knew anybody in the north, and vice versa.

My cousins were a bit tight-lipped, so I didn't press it.
OK, shortcut- Our family split during the reformation, never to talk to each other since. There had been a lot of persecution against us whether france controled the area, or Prussia. Prussia only allowed Lutherism. Choices werent real good.
I guess you don't really feel like a part of history until you discover what your ancestors did (and i guess for many of us,the euro thing. Franks, Gauls, Nordes, etc We read about our direct ancestors in high school, and never really made the association.

openlyatheist said...

FYI John, I've received my copy of your book, along w/ Barker's latest. I'm a slow reader though. ;)