tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post8986006570436165817..comments2023-12-01T18:05:24.875-05:00Comments on Debunking Christianity: Atheist Peter Kirby is Now a CatholicUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-5940525880209999342009-01-08T13:00:00.000-05:002009-01-08T13:00:00.000-05:00I agree. You and I are first and foremost freethin...I agree. You and I are first and foremost freethinkers. I like that. Be true to yourself, my friend.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1909440246487134472009-01-08T12:57:00.000-05:002009-01-08T12:57:00.000-05:00One of my favorite quotes has always been the one ...One of my favorite quotes has always been the one attributed to Bertrand Russell, "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are so cocksure and the intelligent so full of doubt." A culture that derides changes in ideas, minds, and even hearts as only so much political or psychological flip-flopping, to be commented upon with rancor, is a dangerous one to freedom of inquiry... as the true test of the critical person is whether it is a person who constantly and continuously questions himself and sticks to the ideal of Shakespeare, "To thine own self be true."Peter Kirbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16724603345241200742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-12357045154156168502008-10-11T02:22:00.000-04:002008-10-11T02:22:00.000-04:00Peter Kirby is what now? 27 years old? He has been...Peter Kirby is what now? 27 years old? He has been jumping between Atheism, Agnosticism, and Catholicism/Christianity for over the past decade.<BR/><BR/>I think it speaks more about his own confusion/soul searching/psychosis than any certain truths, so don't read too much into it. <BR/><BR/>I also don't believe Mr. Kirby has ever been a true Atheist, as a true Atheist would see that there really isn't a difference between one delusion from another, and Mr. Kirby is unable to break away from Christianity do to some reason - upbringing or mental programing of some sort.<BR/><BR/>Next time he has a change of mind/heart again, I would like to see Mr. Kirby choose an exotic religion next time - less Western. Maybe Buddhism, Hinduism, African JuJu, or, if he wants to stick to the familiar, choose the Nordic or Grecian gods.Trader Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09653941085370397020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-89747385799713038932008-09-14T06:09:00.000-04:002008-09-14T06:09:00.000-04:00The information was roughly accurate, but it is no...The information was roughly accurate, but it is now obsolete. I am agnostic / secular / what-have-you now, once again.Peter Kirbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16724603345241200742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-44697679497479430132008-04-14T00:47:00.000-04:002008-04-14T00:47:00.000-04:00Please continue to stay tuned to my blog The Darkl...Please continue to stay tuned to my blog <A HREF="http://thedarklingthrush.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">The Darkling Thrush</A> as I peregrinate among Theism, Atheism, and other assorted views. I have backed off returning to the Catholicism of my youth, at least.Peter Kirbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16724603345241200742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-66989886616091325362008-01-31T17:33:00.000-05:002008-01-31T17:33:00.000-05:00I find it incredible that you made a blog to bash ...I find it incredible that you made a blog to bash a man for exercising his religious freedom to choose what he wanted to believe. Absolutely incredible.<BR/><BR/>Then you question what it is he does believe which proves you don't even know the religion you are bashing.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps when you get over your fear of whatever it is that Catholics believe that threatens you so, you might realign yourself from the persecutors of old and worry about your own state of consciousness. Yet that will never come to fruition when your time is spent analyzing what goes on the mind of someone else for the sake of judging them, instead of focusing on yourself for your own good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-46567979553947851802007-05-02T19:13:00.000-04:002007-05-02T19:13:00.000-04:00Correct Prup, to kill those who preached to them t...Correct Prup, to kill those who preached to them to turn away from God, to believe in other Gods, or to tell a false prophecy. But it is illogical to think that we are in the same boat today. Jesus didn't come to change a jot or title, but rather a NEW covenant. That they will know we are Christians by our love, and to love our enemies, and I think those who preach against God is our enemies. Was that the order back then? Yes. Was it unjust or unfair to kill those who preached falsely or against God? By no means! You should be glad that God is merciful and does not give us consequences immediately for our sins.<BR/><BR/>I think that "law" was to keep them faithful. They didn't have the holy spirit to guide them, and to realize that if they said to go to another God or preach false things, that they would be put to death.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-51352089680230163552007-05-02T11:19:00.000-04:002007-05-02T11:19:00.000-04:00But in Deuteronomy 13 we find the same demand that...But in Deuteronomy 13 we find the same demand that apostates be killed, and Jesus insisted that not one jot or tittle of the law be changed. (I'd suggest you read the whole Chapter.)Prup (aka Jim Benton)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08376467128665482055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-84135993568654092932007-05-01T18:45:00.000-04:002007-05-01T18:45:00.000-04:00Yes, deacon, we all generalize too quickly. Howev...Yes, deacon, we all generalize too quickly. However there is a difference between Christianity and Islam<BR/><BR/>Christianity: Love your neighbor as yourself. Doesn't matter who or what belief.<BR/><BR/>Islam: In the Koran, it says to kill the infidel, and those who leave the Islamic faith are considered infidels.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-7577548685267293682007-05-01T17:00:00.000-04:002007-05-01T17:00:00.000-04:00Personally, I like the fact that you apparently ac...Personally, I like the fact that you apparently accept the notion that atheism is a religion by referring to apostates from atheism. I also hope that atheists treat their apostates better than the leading expositors of atheism in today's world (Dawkins, Harris, etc.) treat Christians generally.BKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-73751876691406419582007-05-01T12:20:00.000-04:002007-05-01T12:20:00.000-04:00"I think that atheists as well as we theists commi..."I think that atheists as well as we theists commit regularly is generalizing in too hasty a way."<BR/><BR/>That's true as far as it goes, but living in a few different countries has taught me that the behavior of a group of people can be something very different from the behavior of any individual who's a member of the group.elwedriddschehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04618405641828051472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-76655335842751847702007-05-01T07:16:00.000-04:002007-05-01T07:16:00.000-04:00I like the wit in this post, and I don't want to m...I like the wit in this post, and I don't want to make a big deal out of this here (although I think it IS a big deal in general). But one of the big errors I think that atheists as well as we theists commit regularly is generalizing in too hasty a way. Atheists aren't monolithic. Neither is Islam or Christianity (or any other world religion with which I'm familiar). Muslims don't treat "apostates" in any uniform way. Neither do Christians. If we can't move past these blanket characterizations, we're NEVER gonna be able to talk to one another. We'll just continue demonizing one another, and trashing our own projections.The maidenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01158682036840381823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-48148575321895889392007-05-01T02:14:00.000-04:002007-05-01T02:14:00.000-04:00to anonymous: I believe the point of the statement...to anonymous: I believe the point of the statement about how Christians treat those who leave Christianity, etc. was taken slightly out of context from the rest of the post.<BR/><BR/>The point of this statement is to emphasize what was already said: Many Christians will automatically state that someone who becomes an atheist (from being a believer) was never a true believer to begin with. John is simply stating he hopes that atheists won't express the same sentiment about those who leave atheism.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15333267885644866497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-67868056273418543042007-04-30T21:54:00.000-04:002007-04-30T21:54:00.000-04:00I don't know where this has gone, but the point in...I don't know where this has gone, but the point in the beginning, as obvious to everyone, is that Christians treat those who leave better than those who leave Islam. There are actually very few of those who "officially" leave the faith for both sides.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-19628451884694276852007-04-30T20:27:00.000-04:002007-04-30T20:27:00.000-04:00Anonymous:Sorry, but while I'd appreciate the refe...Anonymous:<BR/>Sorry, but while I'd appreciate the reference and will look at it if I can find it and it is published by a trustworthy publisher, you don't have it quite right. (I spent five months on a Pakistani board discussing Islam, and one of my blogs was entirely devoted to Islam.)<BR/><BR/>To a Muslim -- accurately, to many Muslims, don't want to make the mistake you did -- EVERYONE is born Muslims, and always has been, even before Mohammed. (YOU and I, by this way of thinking, are born Muslims, we just didn't realize it.)<BR/><BR/>This is why the term Muslims use is not to 'convert to Islam' but to 'REVERT to Islam.'Prup (aka Jim Benton)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08376467128665482055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-33593566647072404582007-04-30T19:23:00.000-04:002007-04-30T19:23:00.000-04:00Prup: I would recommend reading "Islam and the Bi...Prup: I would recommend reading "Islam and the Bible" for a little guidance.<BR/><BR/>A muslim is a muslim from birth, a christian is not a christian from birth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-50887616669474383632007-04-30T17:20:00.000-04:002007-04-30T17:20:00.000-04:00To Anonymous the latest (the one at 5:35)Your comm...To Anonymous the latest (the one at 5:35)<BR/>Your comment is unintentionally hilarious. You argue, quite rightly,"one Christian does not necesarilly represent them all." But then you step on your own point by treating Muslims precisely the way that you argue that Christians hould not be treated. <BR/>Yes, many Muslims do hold the belief that you ascribe to them but many other do not.<BR/><BR/>And, btw, the case you referred to happened in Afghanistan, which is a predominently Sunni/Selafist (or Wahabist) nation, not in Iran, predominantly Shiite. A BIG difference.Prup (aka Jim Benton)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08376467128665482055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-60574457085667923222007-04-30T14:42:00.000-04:002007-04-30T14:42:00.000-04:00I figured as much Calvin, I was ust funnin back:)I figured as much Calvin, I was ust funnin back:)Richhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05816549810869986623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-24769483360387513472007-04-30T13:26:00.000-04:002007-04-30T13:26:00.000-04:00Hey Rich,I was just being funny. Although I do hop...Hey Rich,<BR/>I was just being funny. Although I do hope the guy comes to his senses and becomes a reformer. I don't have any phobias. When you're wrong you're wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-72289512954095754042007-04-30T10:54:00.000-04:002007-04-30T10:54:00.000-04:00I don't know who Peter Kirby is and I don't care i...I don't know who Peter Kirby is and I don't care if he converted in any direction. I am mildly interested why people change their belief systems, but I generally consider the reasons to convert from atheism to theism as spurious.<BR/><BR/>"I would hope that atheists treat their apostates more respectfully than Christians or Muslims treat their apostates."<BR/><BR/>Personally, I grieve when atheists take leave of their reason. To treat "atheist apostates" with disrespect is like kicking a man when he's already down...elwedriddschehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04618405641828051472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-82769376109271836962007-04-30T06:14:00.000-04:002007-04-30T06:14:00.000-04:00I have had some recent trouble posting so this is ...I have had some recent trouble posting so this is actually the blogger formally know as Rich. I haven't been able to figure out how to use a symbol for my name yet.Richhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05816549810869986623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-6854437921217705662007-04-30T06:10:00.000-04:002007-04-30T06:10:00.000-04:00Now Mr. Kirby is headed straight for heaven. How c...Now Mr. Kirby is headed straight for heaven. How could he choose heaven over hell for eternity? No heat, no teeth gnashing, no lake of brimstone to soak in, complete carefree bliss. I mean the guy is crazy. What's worse is he was never a true atheist AND he still isn't a true Christian!;)<BR/><BR/>Oh and Calvin, I think you are suffering from Cathoilicaphobia. You should seek help SOON!!Richhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05816549810869986623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-22523516002185632312007-04-29T18:10:00.000-04:002007-04-29T18:10:00.000-04:00I believe I would rather stay an Atheist than beco...I believe I would rather stay an Atheist than become a Catholic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-90127498884953696362007-04-29T17:35:00.000-04:002007-04-29T17:35:00.000-04:00I hope all Christians are more educated than the a...I hope all Christians are more educated than the athiests I meet.<BR/><BR/>That is a dumb statement. <BR/>This also is a dumb statement:<BR/><BR/>"I would hope that atheists treat their apostates more respectfully than Christians or Muslims treat their apostates."<BR/><BR/>I would be careful not to use the word Christians so freely, as one Christians does not necesarilly represent them all. If a Christians I know leaves the faith, I will try to talk with him, pray with him/for him, but I will not persecute him or treat him differently than anyone else. Muslims on the other hand, will kill or excommunicate those who leave the faith, including the man in Iran who changed to Christianity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-7538261279408795412007-04-29T15:33:00.000-04:002007-04-29T15:33:00.000-04:00I was going to yell too. John, you devil, you, di...I was going to yell too. John, you devil, you, did you realize this was the 666th post here at DC?Prup (aka Jim Benton)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08376467128665482055noreply@blogger.com