tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post8745340581107047852..comments2023-12-01T18:05:24.875-05:00Comments on Debunking Christianity: Do You Want To Debate Me On the Existence of God?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger123125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-25360442880473136742010-03-04T14:54:43.728-05:002010-03-04T14:54:43.728-05:00Hello this is your friendly 67 year old Jesus Frea...Hello this is your friendly 67 year old Jesus Freak-David L. Adrean reminding you that in debate, I have already answered:<br />We Should Only Accept What Science Tells Us.-By John W. Loftus at 2/25/2010 118 comments: <br />That's what I think. Since science tells us prayer doesn't work then it doesn't work. It tells us the universe is 13.7 billion years old. It tells us we evolved. It tells us there was no Israelite Exodus from Egypt. It tells us the Nativity stories in the Gospels could not be true. It tells us virgins do not have babies. It tells us that dead people do not bodily rise from the grave. Christians must denigrate science in order to believe. Science or Faith? Science has a track record. Faith flies planes into buildings. Science all the way, hands down. End of story.<br /><br />I did this in facts that man has done what he makes fun of Christians who believe that god does what LOFTUS says God can't do above.<br /><br />The only comment I got on my debate was that I am BRAINWASHED, so I am going to factually answer the BRAINWASH tag by using the "word" PROGRAMNED as a synonym for being called BRAINWASHED. We have been programmed like a computer since Kindergarten, Grammar Schools, High School, Junior Colleges and by Universities and on the job training secular and religious jobs, since I am a Senior Pastor.<br /><br />I also admit by my Free Will Choice, I chose to believe the Bible when it says to me that I am not to lean to my own understanding, but I am to faithfully trust that God’s ways are not my ways and that His ways and His understanding is far above my ways!<br />THIS IS MY FREE CHOICE JUST LIKE AN ATHEIST FREELY CHOOSES TO BE PROGRAMNED BY WHAT JOHN W. LOFTUS WRITES.<br /><br />I freely choose as you freely choose to be PROGRAMNED! God gave us FREE WILL to choose whom we will serve “Mammon- the world and materialism of God. But we cannot serve two masters because we will end up hating one for the other. So I choose to be in this World-NOT OF THIS WORLD-The ways of the Worldly man who choose the things of this 70 plus year physical lifetime over where they spend their Eternal Life in HEAVEN or HELL-the lake of Fire seen in all Volcano Eruptions!David L. Adreanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14928110281339876647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-26552998769704816112010-03-02T22:53:40.214-05:002010-03-02T22:53:40.214-05:00QUESTION: Does it take more Faith to believe in “I...QUESTION: Does it take more Faith to believe in “Intelligent Design by a Creator or to believe that if you are walking in the Sand along the Beach Shore by the Ocean and you stubbed your toe on an object in the Sand evolved from the Sand grains over millions of years.<br /><br />You stop to see what it was and as you move the Sand away from it, you find that the tip of it is a metal cone shaped object.<br /><br /><br />As you dig deeper this Metal Cone object is so huge that now you have attracted a crowd of people who start digging in the Sand with you. Then to your surprise after digging about 8 feet in the Sand this object you stubbed your toe on just seems like the “Tip” of something much larger and the City Authorities have now become interested in this object and they assign working crews to help unearth this object. After two weeks of digging they now call the Federal Government who then sends a group of Scientists to examine this object you discovered when you stubbed your toe on the “Tip of it.” And now they are ready to reveal to all the Newspapers, Radio, Internet and Television Media what you found! Now they announce that the object is a Space Shuttle and the Evolutionists are looking all around the excavation site for an evolved “Man Monkey like man, dressed in a Space suit to fly this evolved Space Shuttle. <br /><br />We have to give credit where c redit is due and that is to man’s creative ability by intelligent design, now how about giving credit to the Commander Creator along with the Word who was in the begiinning with God (Let us make man in our image, Jesus who is God and everything that was made nothing was made without Him and even the Holy Spirit Who breathed the breath of life in man so man became a living being made a "Little lower than Angels to judge "Fallen Angels," instead of being an evolved Monkies Uncle!David L. Adreanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14928110281339876647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-7225486111044343222010-03-02T22:26:48.115-05:002010-03-02T22:26:48.115-05:00"brainwashed people do not know that they are..."brainwashed people do not know that they are brainwashed."<br />of course you would use this excuse to avoid dealing with the issues. it's called ad hominem.bfniiihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00716465039797535402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-19687544097965943862010-03-02T21:43:02.419-05:002010-03-02T21:43:02.419-05:00Final and the most impportant continuation of Davi...Final and the most impportant continuation of David L. Adrean's Comment<br /><br />Understanding, Reading Comprehension and Wisdom can come from a simple prayer:<br /><br />PRAYER<br /><br />ABBA Father GOD, I ask You in JESUS Name, under the leading of the HOLY SPIRIT, even the SPIRIT of TRUTH, help the reader of this article, find an intimate, Personal relationship with You LORD JESUS CHRIST as their LORD and Savior, because JESUS, You laid YOUR LIFE down in their place as a ransom for GOD’s Pardon, because without the shedding of YOUR BLOOD, LORD JESUS there could be no payment for our sinful rebellion against our Father GOD’s Will, Plan, Purpose and HIS Design for the gift of our Eternal Life. Give us wisdom (The beginning of Wisdom is the FEAR of you GOD).<br /><br />Help us to know the TRUTH that You LORD JESUS CHRIST are “The WAY,” “The TRUTH” and “The LIFE;” “no one can come unto you as your child crying ABBA Father GOD accept by you Lord, JESUS CHRIST. <br /><br />Help us now LORD JESUS to confess YOU before man, because; If we will not confess YOU before man, than YOU, LORD JESUS will not confess us before YOUR FATHER, Who we call GOD! JESUS You our Hope for Almighty GOD’s Pardon from Eternal “Death Row – Hell.”<br /><br />Please LORD Jesus we do not want to lean to our own understanding, YOUR Ways are far above our ways. Help us starting right now to minister YOUR GOSPEL and GOOD NEWS and show others that You provided the Pardon, JESUS, because You came not into the WORLD to Condemn Man but to save Man. In JESUS’ Name, AMEN and AMEN!David L. Adreanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14928110281339876647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-9952938053607132542010-03-02T21:37:33.165-05:002010-03-02T21:37:33.165-05:0005. Science is studying the one factual example of...05. Science is studying the one factual example of something Eternal, showing that the Space we travel in to get to the moon is Eternal; The Universe, Galaxies, Solar Systems and even Stars are not eternal because Science has discovered “Sun Novas” and “A Black Hole in Space,” that swallows Planets and even Solar Systems, “A Bottomless Pit,” (a bottomless pit mentioned in the Bible as a place prepared for satan for 1000 years, starting in space-the home of the “prince of the air” and ending in the Fiery “Core of our Earth,” where literal “Lakes of Fire,” flow from Volcanoes on our Earth).<br /><br />06. Why can Man in “High Offices” (President and Governors), pardon criminals from “Death Row, saving a human’s physical life” but Man<br />will not believe in God Who pardons those who break God’s Laws and Commandments, to save a Man’s Eternal Life. Don’t say that there is no proof of anything Eternal.<br /><br />a. As mans laws have consequences when you use your pro-choice to disobey them. You intellectually know that Ethics and man made laws come from the Old and the New Testament of the Bible. I cannot understand that an intelligent man knowing that all of mans laws are taken from the OLD and the NEW Testaments is to prevent Man becoming victims of Criminals who act like animals. If you would not break man's laws because you don't want to go to Jail or you do not break man's laws because you think that you are an Ethical and Morally good person, why then would you break God’s Laws (The 10 Commandments) and chose not to believe that God can also have a Jail, that God calls HELL.<br /><br />b. People who commit a crime and are offered a GOVERNOR or PRESIDENTIAL PARDON will accept that Pardon in an instant. YET, THEY WILL SCORN A GOD WHO's MERCY OFFERED IN THE OLD TESTAMENT AND GOD's FULL PARDON IN THE NEW TESTAMENT, WHICH IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE GOVERNOR or PRESIDENTIAL PARDON for a physical Life of 70+ years, COMPARED TO A PARDON FOR ETERNAL LIFE AND DESTINATION- HELL!<br /><br />c. How can you break A HOLY GOD's Laws and not see that your Judge is JESUS Who shed HIS Blood for GOD's Pardon and for the remission of your sins, like bearing false witness-lies, stealing and selfishly want another's possessions, wife or anything of your neighbor, how do you think, as an intellectual, that you can get away with crimes against GOD and man!<br /><br />d. Wake up! Are your ears so dull that you cannot listen to those who have experienced death and testified of an out of body experience before being revived on respirators in Emergency Vehicles, Doctors Offices or in Emergency Hospital Rooms? Can’t you see that you’re choosing a judgment of spending your eternal life in a "Lake of Fire," that was prepared for satan and his followers?<br /><br />e. No one is good, not one is righteous. If GOD spared not his own Angels, will GOD spare man? Learn from satan and 1/3rd. of GOD's Disembodied Angels-now evil spirits, or learn from Adam and Eve when they saw death for the first time in the disembodiment of Able their son, when Cain, their other son murdered Able.David L. Adreanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14928110281339876647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-54274453563802346852010-03-02T21:36:32.876-05:002010-03-02T21:36:32.876-05:00Continuation of Jesus Freak David's
Comments:
...Continuation of Jesus Freak David's<br />Comments:<br /><br />05. Science is studying the one factual example of something Eternal, showing that the Space we travel in to get to the moon is Eternal; The Universe, Galaxies, Solar Systems and even Stars are not eternal because Science has discovered “Sun Novas” and “A Black Hole in Space,” that swallows Planets and even Solar Systems, “A Bottomless Pit,” (a bottomless pit mentioned in the Bible as a place prepared for satan for 1000 years, starting in space-the home of the “prince of the air” and ending in the Fiery “Core of our Earth,” where literal “Lakes of Fire,” flow from Volcanoes on our Earth).<br /><br />06. Why can Man in “High Offices” (President and Governors), pardon criminals from “Death Row, saving a human’s physical life” but Man<br />will not believe in God Who pardons those who break God’s Laws and Commandments, to save a Man’s Eternal Life. Don’t say that there is no proof of anything Eternal.<br /><br />a. As mans laws have consequences when you use your pro-choice to disobey them. You intellectually know that Ethics and man made laws come from the Old and the New Testament of the Bible. I cannot understand that an intelligent man knowing that all of mans laws are taken from the OLD and the NEW Testaments is to prevent Man becoming victims of Criminals who act like animals. If you would not break man's laws because you don't want to go to Jail or you do not break man's laws because you think that you are an Ethical and Morally good person, why then would you break God’s Laws (The 10 Commandments) and chose not to believe that God can also have a Jail, that God calls HELL.<br /><br />b. People who commit a crime and are offered a GOVERNOR or PRESIDENTIAL PARDON will accept that Pardon in an instant. YET, THEY WILL SCORN A GOD WHO's MERCY OFFERED IN THE OLD TESTAMENT AND GOD's FULL PARDON IN THE NEW TESTAMENT, WHICH IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE GOVERNOR or PRESIDENTIAL PARDON for a physical Life of 70+ years, COMPARED TO A PARDON FOR ETERNAL LIFE AND DESTINATION- HELL!<br /><br />c. How can you break A HOLY GOD's Laws and not see that your Judge is JESUS Who shed HIS Blood for GOD's Pardon and for the remission of your sins, like bearing false witness-lies, stealing and selfishly want another's possessions, wife or anything of your neighbor, how do you think, as an intellectual, that you can get away with crimes against GOD and man!<br /><br />d. Wake up! Are your ears so dull that you cannot listen to those who have experienced death and testified of an out of body experience before being revived on respirators in Emergency Vehicles, Doctors Offices or in Emergency Hospital Rooms? Can’t you see that you’re choosing a judgment of spending your eternal life in a "Lake of Fire," that was prepared for satan and his followers?<br /><br />e. No one is good, not one is righteous. If GOD spared not his own Angels, will GOD spare man? Learn from satan and 1/3rd. of GOD's Disembodied Angels-now evil spirits, or learn from Adam and Eve when they saw death for the first time in the disembodiment of Able their son, when Cain, their other son murdered Able.David L. Adreanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14928110281339876647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-62666556478588421692010-03-02T21:33:13.625-05:002010-03-02T21:33:13.625-05:00Let's use man's definition of God being mo...Let's use man's definition of God being more powerful than man, like Atlas holding the earth on his shoulder which no man can do.<br /><br />Let's move onto that the Bible say we were created in God's image and know that this is not referring to a Being with just a head body and appendages, but created in God's image means that man was created as a "Creative Being." We create Space Shuttles. Smart Weapons and GPS systems to track enemy troop movements by Satellite.<br /><br />I am a 67 year old "Jesus Freak," who helped build the Space Shuttle Fuel System components, the "Top Secret," fore-runner to the GPS System that could track a man within 500 feet using a weather balloon carried telescope and if the person was "electronically bugged."<br /><br />So I deal in facts that can be proved as far as what "Man" has accomplished when the Bible says "Knowledge will increase in the Last Days!<br /><br />I. Holy Bible = He Only Loves You Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth).<br /><br />II. 50 years ago people believed that Christians accepted things that were not scientifically possible. Today with knowledge on the increase 5 Factual man made events have occurred:<br /><br />01. First the Virgin Mary is found pregnant with child without having intercourse by-Incarnation! Now Man through Science "Artifice Insemination,” we can “Inseminate” a 14 year old Virgin girl at puberty and make her pregnant (without intercourse).<br /><br />02. Today Science is proving that it is possible to take a piece of living cells, like found in Adam's rib when GOD-Eloheim-in Plural, made women from man, saying: “Let us make Man in our image.” Science using living DNA cloning by using living cell tissue (like from the bone marrow of a rib) to clone Sheep, Cattle, Horses and other life forms. And, yes, Man can even pervert mankind by creating "Christine Jorgensens," by surgical sex changes.<br /><br />03. Unbelievers have mocked and laughed that Christians believe that GOD the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth could create a Great Fish that swallowed Jonah in the Bible School Story of Jonah and the Whale and again man having the form of Godliness in his own CREATIVITY, Man creates a submarine that has something far more dangerous the acid in a Big Fish’s belly, that being able to contain Radiation at safe levels in a Nuclear Reactor and providing air to breath for a crew of 200 men or more men for 3 months (not just 3 days like Jonah in the Big Fish’s belly).<br /><br />04. So if God is more powerful than man, certainly what man can create, God should be given credit and the He should be respected “As the Creator of Heaven and of Earth by His intelligent design,” creating as we can see in microbiology, one atom of many atoms of each individual cell within your Human body being made up of a Proton, a Neutron-like a small Solar System-with an orbiting electron held together (not by Gravity) but by a DNA pattern-DNA meaning “After its own kind.”David L. Adreanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14928110281339876647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-16379484668156318832010-03-02T20:33:01.975-05:002010-03-02T20:33:01.975-05:00bfniii, I see you're reading and commenting he...bfniii, I see you're reading and commenting here at DC. Thanks. You do realize that there are many believers like you so convinced of their faith too, don't you? You see, brainwashed people do not know that they are brainwashed. The ONLY way to know whether you are one of the brainwashed is to subject your own faith to the same level of skepticism that you use to evaluate the other faiths you reject. You must require hard evidence for that which you accept. Hard evidence convinces others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-43862757795437120452010-03-02T20:27:01.427-05:002010-03-02T20:27:01.427-05:00"Do You Want To Debate Me On the Existence of..."Do You Want To Debate Me On the Existence of God?"<br />this is a ridiculous challenge. there is no way one person can refute the centuries of scholarship on the existence of God. for starters, the problem isn't merely God's existence but, the alternatives. those have been wiped clean by generations of academic inquiry. no one has ever been able to explain why there is something rather than nothing and no one ever will.<br /><br />the issue isn't a rational issue because for every non-christian argument, there is a christian response. the issue is personal preference; to accept the obvious existence of God or to produce excuses as to why not.bfniiihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00716465039797535402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-4934995737307163452010-03-01T23:25:03.289-05:002010-03-01T23:25:03.289-05:00I noticed some discussion on 1 Jn. 5:7. Here is m...I noticed some discussion on 1 Jn. 5:7. Here is my take on it:<br />http://www.challenge2biblicalexamination.org/1jn57.pdf<br /><br />In Christ Jesus<br />Jerry D. McDonaldJerry D. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00532849600083472842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-50536384295574063292010-03-01T23:18:57.428-05:002010-03-01T23:18:57.428-05:00I have an intro completed. I'll start chapter...I have an intro completed. I'll start chapter one (which will be an analysis of your chapter two) tomorrow. Right now it is time for me to get to bed.<br /><br />In Christ Jesus<br />Jerry McDonald<br /><br />http://www.challenge2.org/whyoneshouldnot.pdfJerry D. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00532849600083472842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-50055354183380654842010-03-01T17:54:37.720-05:002010-03-01T17:54:37.720-05:00Sure Jerry, see what you can do with it.
Cheers.Sure Jerry, see what you can do with it.<br /><br />Cheers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-33477401584880298182010-03-01T17:52:21.775-05:002010-03-01T17:52:21.775-05:00Well, John, I do not have the book you mentioned, ...Well, John, I do not have the book you mentioned, but I did just receive your book "Why I Became An Atheist." So I guess I could just rebut each chapter on my Challenge website at http://www.challenge2.org and that would work just as good wouldn't it?<br />jdmJerry D. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00532849600083472842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-46853724238633577332009-03-23T04:41:00.000-04:002009-03-23T04:41:00.000-04:00It is sad that you have taken this route and I adm...It is sad that you have taken this route and I admit it could easily happen to me, it is by the grace of God i am what I am. It is true that the Christian faith is full of lies and deceit, the main focus of the Christian faith is not of love but of money (tithes). However the bible does say that you need to study to show yourself approved, problem is that the majority like to be spoon fed, and the pastors who are teaching are very confused to say the least. I thank God that by His Spirit there is not one question that fazes me yes i have read a lot about what you believe and am amazed because the bible answers every one. Also there is nothing wrong about asking questions, this is another wrong in the Christian faith, they are afraid to ask questions. I know that deep down inside whether you accept it or not, you know that God exists after all He is the one who put you here on earth, and even after all this He still loves you, for He is a God of love.Riccohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08478275480461578438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-40331145782780387692008-09-23T15:17:00.000-04:002008-09-23T15:17:00.000-04:00> As for your argument, I stand as an example o...> As for your argument, I stand as an example of how very wrong you are.<BR/><BR/><BR/>I salute a gentleman’s debate then. Step 1: I am putting forth that man is a spiritual being. Either he is or he is not. Which do you think we are?<BR/><BR/><BR/>> I grew up in an entirely secular home. Deities were never discussed. <BR/><BR/><BR/>This means that the Deities were in your home. People just didn't "call a spade a spade". The family car was treated as more than just a vehicle or the sports team in your home was followed...religiously.<BR/><BR/><BR/>> I abandoned my search as futile, and went on with my secular life.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Ignoring the god in your pocket...your iPod. Again: you will argue till you are blue in the face that that little collection of wires is more than that.<BR/><BR/><BR/>> Far from being depressed, or suicidal, Ive been told <BR/><BR/>Because, again, you have your gods. You become depressed when you sever those attachments. Please re-read what I wrote, sir (if you dare). I assert that we are spiritual beings: you and I...We both worship. Throw your gods away or admit it. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob remains whether you do so or not.Alzuunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03548920555710357093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-4182495409719046492008-09-22T00:20:00.000-04:002008-09-22T00:20:00.000-04:00Alzuun, I like to poke my head in this blog, and ...Alzuun, I like to poke my head in this blog, and learn things about the debate amongst christians and apostates. Its enlightening to see the debates here.<BR/><BR/>As for your argument, I stand as an example of how very wrong you are. I grew up in an entirely secular home. Deities were never discussed. I had no concept of god/gods at all, until school. There I was proselytized to endlessly. I finally decided to learn about religion. I read the bible, as well as many other religious texts. I attended churches, synagogue, mosque, etc. I never found any faith worth believing in. I abandoned my search as futile, and went on with my secular life.<BR/><BR/>Then came George Bush, and his mandate by god himself, to wage war against the muslims, who flew planes into buildings. This brought out a renewed interest in religion, since it seemed realistic that I might die because of someone else's belief. <BR/><BR/>Far from being depressed, or suicidal, Ive been told by many people that I am an optimist, and a great person to be around. I am generous, and help others regularly. I live my life to be an example to others.<BR/><BR/>I am a life long atheist. I am a philanthropist. I am a father and husband who lives every day to its fullest.Barthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11052061841793700062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-83234457515160756032008-08-26T11:17:00.000-04:002008-08-26T11:17:00.000-04:00John et al., You fight so hard to prove that God...John et al.,<BR/> You fight so hard to prove that God doesn't exist and that we should not worship Him. You think about it night and day. You will argue until the day you die that it is an intrinsic truth...guess what? You believe in god. Your god is that quest of yours to deny your creator. Don't believe me? Heard it before? I'm sure you'll have a flippant answer such as that. What you don't have is an answer as to why everyone is the same way. That's correct. I am asserting that everyone believes in something greater than themselves...or they are depressed until they do or comit suicide. Well if everyone believes thus it means that we are hard wired to do so. God is allowing you free will to choose to not believe in him but your human vessel remains the same: seeking a higher power to believe in. You've pointed your "hard wiring" toward this little blog. I point my "hard wiring" to the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and his Son: Jesus the Christ. Fight against this all you will...my hope is that you return to your creator spiritually before you die. He has not forgotten you.Alzuunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03548920555710357093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-3309907872246362472008-08-05T20:01:00.000-04:002008-08-05T20:01:00.000-04:00I would love to debate you on the topic of the exi...I would love to debate you on the topic of the existence of God and/or anything else within Christianity.<BR/><BR/>Feel free to email me at: quiet4no1@gmail.com<BR/><BR/>my blog is: http://innovationapologetics.blogspot.com/Innovative Defensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07854444943308333927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-18447301573612572402008-07-21T09:08:00.000-04:002008-07-21T09:08:00.000-04:00Furthermore, since we atheists are forced to think...Furthermore, since we atheists are forced to think hard about ethics, we must make up our own minds based on what is best for people and the environment. <BR/>It is a little harder work than just following rules from a book, as we have to give it a lot of thought and we have to rethink things every day to keep things balanced and right. But figuring out ethics based on good for society and earth means for example that we don't have to be mean to or deny rights to gays because of Leviticus and that we find ourselves ethically obligated to work for the preservation and restoration of the environments because instead of being told we should have dominion over it by a book, we know we are part of it and must keep it well for the next generations. Instead of freaking out that adultery is of the same kilter as murder because of a set of rules that says it is, we can recognize the true amount of harm various mistakes cause and treat people with compassion and provide them support even if they make mistakes. Instead of seeing the world as us and them because of their beliefs and instead of judging some 'evil' or 'sinful' because of their beliefs, we can treat all people more fairly based on the nature of their words and actions. Instead of regarding the world as simply created by God, we can look into science for the far more interesting and complicated processes that resulted in things being the wacky and amazing way they are. Instead of wasting time in prayer that will never be answered because there is no God to answer it, we can devote that time to meditating on our future plans or on actually getting out and doing thing to improve the world for ourselves and our kids and their kids. It might be a little more mental work to figure out on a continual basis what is the right and best thing to do, but it is a far better system than blindly following the rules in a jumbled contradictory illogical book because we believe in a false god that we claim wrote that defective book.goprairiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00532311590000341237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-54644083503084201702008-07-21T08:54:00.000-04:002008-07-21T08:54:00.000-04:00Shane, you say: "If every single one of you a...Shane, you say: "If every single one of you atheists don't turn from your wicked ways & sinful living"<BR/>Your judgemental statement is wrong and insulting. Did you mean it to be? We atheists are not engaged in any wicked ways or living sinfully. We are nice people who treat others with respect and kindness and we work to contribute to society and we volunteer to do charitable works for others and for the environment. We do not lie or cheat or steal or kill or damage the environment. We are raising nice respectful kind considerate responsible children who will contrubute positively to the world. You are wrong if you think atheist lack morality and once you figure out that we are as moral as you are, it might rock your world. For if you really are a preacher, you are devoting your life to a myth, a legend, a story wtih no more truth behind it than the santa story or the greek gods or the volcano gods or the sun gods or leprachauns or the tooth fairy. As you study your religion more deeply you will probably find contrdictions and things that don't seem to make sense and you will find that others have written explanations for those and you will find that those 'explanations' just don't quite answer your questions. If you look at all that with an open mind, someday you might begin to figure out that it IS all false. Because you have devoted all your life, your career, your social life, your family life, your hobbies, your thinking, to your religion, when the doubts hit, they will hit hard. I hope we, or some group like this, are here for you to find support in. We will not turn you away for having had such silly beliefs or call you evil or sinful. We will merely be supportive and helpful in our journey to the truth. I hope you find your way back here then. Meanwhile, I have to get back to my productive moral happy life.goprairiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00532311590000341237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-57875914236066258072008-07-21T00:47:00.000-04:002008-07-21T00:47:00.000-04:00I am a 18 year old Baptist preacher. I accidently ...I am a 18 year old Baptist preacher. I accidently ran across this blog and I'm glad that I did. I have just one thing to say. If every single one of you atheists don't turn from your wicked ways & sinful living and don't turn to GOD, I'm sad to say that Hell will be your home for all eternity. A place "where the worm dieth not and the fire shall not be quenched." I don't want to see any of you go to Hell; but if you continue going the way you are, your future won't be so bright. Now I know that this will not be posted because it's a sermon & it's disrespectful to you all. But I pray that whoever reads this will please take heed to the offer that CHRIST has made to all people: which is salvation. Fall on your knees, ask forgiviness of all your sins, ask to be saved, & GOD will save you. I pray that all who read this will come to know CHRIST & experience all of HIS many blessings.<BR/><BR/>Hebrews 6:4-6<BR/>"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the HOLY GHOST, And have tasted the good word of GOD, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the SON OF GOD afresh, and put HIM to an open shame."Shane Littrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04244249460486714697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-2756978625470376752008-06-03T04:52:00.000-04:002008-06-03T04:52:00.000-04:00"After all, we have the salient and recent histori..."After all, we have the salient and recent historical examples of the atheist genocide carried out by Stalin, Mao, pol pot, khmer rouge, eastern bloc dictators, north koreans, cubans, albanians,etc..."<BR/><BR/>Without nitpicking the difference between ethnic cleansing and genocide, I'll simply point out that I think the argument is not that atheists or non-believers are less likely to commit genocide, but that believers are more likely to commit wrongs based on their faith, having been provided a pretext for such action that also absolves the individual of responsibility.<BR/><BR/>Also, many of the instances you (obliquely) refer to - Stalin and the Khmer Rouge among them - may not be religious, but certainly had dogmatic systems used to justify their heinous actions. <BR/><BR/>Lastly, many of the examples you provide - Stalin, the Khmer Rouge, Mao, Cuba, North Korea, dictatorial communist governments all - suppressed dissent and specifically targeted intellectuals for violence and execution. I would argue that while religious fundamentalism can lead to violence, any kind of fundamentalism that brooks no criticism can be as dangerous.<BR/><BR/>I would also argue that a modern, intellectual society that freely allows dissent and debate is a valuable protection against violence committed under the umbrella of inflexible ideology.Boz.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11011129983284495599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-87047464481762157032008-01-25T18:13:00.000-05:002008-01-25T18:13:00.000-05:00oy vey, well yes, I will purchase your book and re...oy vey, well yes, I will purchase your book and read it, though I suspect i know all the arguments, having been at this debate over thirty years. Curious if, the contrarian position: 'Atheism, should be rejected by modern, intellectual society....' is also on the table forensically and tu quo qe(latin vulgate spelling)? After all, we have the salient and recent historical examples of the atheist genocide carried out by Stalin, Mao, pol pot, khmer rouge, eastern bloc dictators, north koreans, cubans, albanians,etc...is it any wonder that modern theists might be a tad bit nervous about atheists and their ideology coming to the fore and coming to political power here?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-78459444283814240462008-01-20T11:31:00.000-05:002008-01-20T11:31:00.000-05:00skeptic grigggsy, just let me know if and when my ...skeptic grigggsy, just let me know if and when my book is reviewed. <BR/><BR/>Cheers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-81489519427838454572008-01-19T21:15:00.000-05:002008-01-19T21:15:00.000-05:00Doubting John, you might answer the reviews of ath...Doubting John, you might answer the reviews of athesit books at Skeptical Christian.<BR/> I'm getting your new book from Amazon next month.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com