tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post7172028972139436052..comments2023-12-01T18:05:24.875-05:00Comments on Debunking Christianity: Excerpt From My Book on Child SacrificeUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger119125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-13858491993950166422010-03-21T03:06:31.037-04:002010-03-21T03:06:31.037-04:00And Example of Human Sacrifice in the Bible
In th...<b>And Example of Human Sacrifice in the Bible</b><br /><br />In the Book of Joshua, sacrificial elements are brought together in the tale of the fall of Jericho where both the concepts of <i>Holy War</i> and <i>Divine Warrior</i> are incorporated with the ancient Near Eastern magical number <i>seven</i>:<br /><br />“<i>Also seven priests shall carry seven trumpets of rams' horns before the ark; then on the seventh day you shall march around the city seven times, and the priests shall blow the trumpets. "It shall be that when they make a long blast with the ram's horn, and when you hear the sound of the trumpet, all the people shall shout with a great shout; and the wall of the city will fall down flat, and the people will go up every man straight ahead.</i>” (Joshua 6: 4 - 5). <br /><br />Now that the city wall is destroyed, the sacrificial human slaughter of all the men, women, children, babies and the unborn (along with all their animals) can begin. <br /><br />Under the ancient concept of <i>Holy War</i>, Yahweh as the Warrior-King deity will lead the Israelite army, but he demands a price! God wants all the booty of the city: Everything from the death of all living things as sacrifice to its gold, silver, bronze and iron. This is his portion called in Hebrew the “harem” or the BAN.<br /><br />“<i>They utterly destroyed everything in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox and sheep and donkey, with the edge of the sword…They burned the city with fire, and all that was in it. Only the silver and gold, and articles of bronze and iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the LORD</i>. (Joshua 6: 21 & 24) (12)<br /> <br />The cultic elements flow full and free in Joshua 6 - 7, but the victory is short lived due to hidden sin! Unknown to Joshua, Yahweh is denied his full booty! <b>Not the precious lives of the non-combatants or all of the innocent women, children, babies, the unborn and animals, but Yahweh’s personal greed is for the material metal wealth of the city which is its gold, silver, bronze and iron that could be used in his own earthly house or tabernacle.</b> <br /><br />Once the murder of all life in Jericho completed, everything is burnt to Yahweh so that he can enjoy the human sacrificial spoils of war. (<b>Notice that the cultic proper killing of life of both humans and animal in Jericho means that their blood must be drained. Thus Joshua 6: 21 makes it a point to tell the Jewish reader of this epic that death was to be by “the edge of the sword” before any ritual or sacrificial burning could take place.</b> (Joshua 6: 24 )Harry H. McCallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08974655354593831851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-3928479165589358462010-03-21T00:58:32.228-04:002010-03-21T00:58:32.228-04:00Beyond John's contextual and exegetical issues...Beyond John's contextual and exegetical issues there's other problems that have been overlooked.<br /><br />You know for such a strict sacrificial command (and the interpretation that John desperately wants), and for all the Old Testament's painstaking devotion to recording Israel's failure or success to keep the sacrificial commands, there sure are a lot of prominent first-born sons mysteriously alive, well, and running around in the Bible between the period in history between Exodus and Ezekiel. <br /><br />Samuel, Jonathan and Sampson are just three major, <b>national</b> figures that readily come to mind. <br /><br />There's also another major problem that John overlooked that really makes his "exegesis" look silly, but since this becoming such good blog fodder, I think I'll prepare something more formal on the blog. Cheers to anyone still reading and sifting through 100+ comments on an old thread.Bradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03184505091838154270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-36031397565221154792010-03-20T11:43:08.980-04:002010-03-20T11:43:08.980-04:00An old post, but a good topic --- John wrote, &quo...An old post, but a good topic --- John wrote, "the most troubling one concerns child sacrifice in the Bible "<br /><br />Child sacrifice is noted in scripture because it was a very real life practice. The perspective that caused this ritual was that 'god' was an angry demanding deity that required blood in order to be appeased.<br /><br />It was then, very common for ppl to hear god tell them to kill their children, but I doubt that many would have heeded and credited the voice to god for telling them to withdraw their knives, fire, etc. If I truly believed that I must kill my child to pacify god's wrath and retribution/punishment, I may have been too terrified to hear and heed the voice telling me to NOT kill my child. I would have been too fearful that 'god' would have punished me and struck down my entire family, ruined my food resources, etc. etc.<br /><br />I have asked this before, but not gotten a very good response from former religious Christians, but if the perspective of the OT god were 100% divine, then why the need for a messiah to materialize? And if those who preach that the OT perspective of God is 100% divine, then why not continue to put into practice all of the OT rules and regulations???<br /><br />3MManifesting Mini Me (MMM)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08250513504254425163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-78810185170827615662010-03-19T19:29:18.917-04:002010-03-19T19:29:18.917-04:00Suppose child sacrifice was normative in the ANE. ...Suppose child sacrifice was normative in the ANE. If it was then it comes as no surprise that God would accommodate the culture to teach a grander lesson about reality, namely, that God provides and child sacrifice is not necessary. My position is that God meets us where we are—because our hearts are hard-Matt 19:8—and accommodates societal values and institutions that cannot be overturned just yet, but establishes a moral trajectory that intends to lead us away from our wrongs. Successful teachers teach this way when they teach in Ghettos! You guys should know this. You’re social liberals, right? I think we read these stories too much like westerners, sigh.normajeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06612628618334389249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-14454902885270672922010-03-19T19:22:55.614-04:002010-03-19T19:22:55.614-04:00Wow, John. I thought that as a former professing C...Wow, John. I thought that as a former professing Christian, that you would at least have some command of basic biblical context...silly me.Bradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03184505091838154270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-51233781709069338052010-03-19T19:21:01.870-04:002010-03-19T19:21:01.870-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Bradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03184505091838154270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-57663158269966667802009-08-05T23:48:13.326-04:002009-08-05T23:48:13.326-04:00Gee, did we care so little about the topic that we...Gee, did we care so little about the topic that we had to discuss creation science?Rob Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08937716910001145836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-664609707161899652009-08-04T13:46:20.446-04:002009-08-04T13:46:20.446-04:00Our good friend Dennis Collis (aka, DenCol, DRC, C...Our good friend Dennis Collis (aka, DenCol, DRC, Carson, and who knows what other names he has used since he has been on this blog), wrote me and he wanted to continue the discussion of dinosaurs, coal and foot prints. I know it sounds silly. He copied some material from a creationist site, here is what he wrote:<br /><br />Dennis: <i>http://www.creationevolution.org/coal/tracks.htm<br /> <br />Claim:<br />Evolution happened gradually over a long period of time, with no major catastrophic events. <br /><br />Claim:<br />Coal was produced 300,000,000 years ago. <br /><br />Claim:<br />Dinosaurs lived from 85,000,000 to 200,000,000 million years ago. <br /><br />Problem #1:<br />These dinosaur footprints were taken from a coal mine in Utah.<br />But, coal was formed 100,000,000 years before dinosaurs appeared on the scene. <br /><br />Problem #2:<br />These prints were taken from the roof of the coal mine.<br /><br />There must have been a monstrous, catastrophic event for these prints to appear deep in the mines of Utah. <br /><br />These prints were made as dinosaurs walked on the surface of a swampy area, but were miraculously preserved before the natural rebound of swamps? </i><br /><br />And here is my response:<br /><br /><i>Dennis, I doubt very much that I will spend much time doing this with you, but I guess we'll see where it goes.<br /><br />First, where does the author get the 300 million year figure for the origin of coal? Coal was formed at different times and places. The article from Talk Origins says that the coal was in rocks dating to the Cretaceous, the time of the Dinosaur's. The reason that Dinosaur prints can be found in coal is simple, coal starts off as peat which then hardens and over time and under heat and pressure forms into coal. Obviously the dinosaur made the print before the peat hardened which later became coal.<br /><br />I don't see where the problem is.</i>Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17693944542336729866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-37912259558329563982009-08-04T10:44:30.030-04:002009-08-04T10:44:30.030-04:00good, then I'll be on the lookout for comments...good, then I'll be on the lookout for comments from carson to delete.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17353286859864448748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-45454645782827114182009-08-04T10:34:57.805-04:002009-08-04T10:34:57.805-04:00Carson: Made DURING THE FLOODING of a local river!...Carson: <i>Made DURING THE FLOODING of a local river! So then that confirms there was flooding during the time these dinasaur footprints were made! It took a while before the flood reached the top of the dinasurs heads!</i><br /><br />You really are a moron aren't you? According to flood geology coal is made by bio mass being compressed quickly by flood waters and the sediment that it contains and compressing this mass under tremendous heat and pressure to form the coal. You simply cannot have Dinosaur tracks walking through the middle of coal if flood geology is true. Flood geology is simply nonsense and your defense of it speaks volumes. I find it interesting that you defend something that you apparently do not know a lot about.<br /><br />Okay, I'm done with you and so is John.Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17693944542336729866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-67325769501118924982009-08-04T10:30:31.091-04:002009-08-04T10:30:31.091-04:00You're done here Carson, i.e., DenCol. Get a l...You're done here Carson, i.e., DenCol. Get a life. Go away. no more comments from you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-63472920187240440972009-08-04T10:15:34.728-04:002009-08-04T10:15:34.728-04:00Carson: Do much for debunking the global flood wit...Carson: <i>Do much for debunking the global flood with dinasaur tracks in coal. Try again there Talk Origens!</i><br /><br />First off, it is Talk "Origins," secondly I'm done with you. You are just simply irrational. I'm sure John will be deleting your comments soon. You have been asked not to comment on here, yet you continue to do so. I made the mistake of thinking that maybe I can get you to at least start thinking a little bit, but no, it's like talking to a brick wall.<br /><br />Enjoy your delusions for the rest of your life as that is all you have.Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17693944542336729866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-41924862832137804812009-08-04T10:05:07.179-04:002009-08-04T10:05:07.179-04:00DINOSAUR FOOTPRINTS FROM A COAL MINE IN EAST-CENTR...DINOSAUR FOOTPRINTS FROM A COAL MINE IN EAST-CENTRAL UTAH<br /><br /><br />"These tracks were made by animals which walked in the peat on the surface of a swamp; their footprints were filled by mud, silt or sand during the flooding of a local river." <br /><br />stadiumweb.com/reprints/parkerr.html<br /><br />Made DURING THE FLOODING of a local river! So then that confirms there was flooding during the time these dinasaur footprints were made! It took a while before the flood reached the top of the dinasurs heads! <br /><br />Do much for debunking the global flood with dinasaur tracks in coal. Try again there Talk Origens!<br /><br />NEXT!Wanting Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16714212596340205650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-83314065609363518222009-08-03T21:46:57.643-04:002009-08-03T21:46:57.643-04:00"Because either way if you really believe thi..."Because either way if you really believe this book as supposedly being divine,you also need to really believe some supposed all knowing god would really be so likely to be involved in such a obviously badly written and worded book!"<br /><br />If one is willing to believe the latter, they are certainly shameless to justify the former.<br /><br />It takes balls to be blind. Sadly, some people's thinking is only below the belt.<br /><br />Does wit need justification like god does? If so, mega fail on my part. Although I came close, I suppose, with this last piece.<br /><br />I wonder if anyone is going to understand what I just said.Joshua Junghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15279299202657149978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-34745073358874277582009-08-03T17:40:39.400-04:002009-08-03T17:40:39.400-04:00Carson: "This article presents a list of ques...Carson: <i>"This article presents a list of questions that the story of Noah's Ark and a global flood leave unanswered and probably unanswerable, such as: How did all the fish survive?" <br /><br />How did the fish survive????? Is he serious???? That is hysterical!!!! Yes, thanks for those links! They are better than the funny papers!</i><br /><br />Come on Dennis, I shouldn't have to do the thinking for you. Here is the actual question and answer from the article:<br /><br /><i>How did all the fish survive? Some require cool clear water, some need brackish water, some need ocean water, some need water even saltier. A flood would have destroyed at least some of these habitats.</i><br /><br />These are very good questions my friend. I do not think that you have seriously considered the real implications of what it would take for organisms to survive such a deluge over such an extended period of time.Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17693944542336729866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-42933385641228226822009-08-03T17:28:22.737-04:002009-08-03T17:28:22.737-04:00Carson: "Dinosaur Footprints in Coal"
...Carson: <i>"Dinosaur Footprints in Coal" <br /><br />Did you read this article from Talk Origens? What has this got to do with the flood???? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! This guy is a major moron!</i><br /><br />Um, well flood geologists claim that coal was formed quickly by Noah's flood. Evidence of dinosaur foot prints going through the coal would demonstrate that this wasn't the case. So, apparently the guy isn't really a moron after all.Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17693944542336729866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-70285394415688297212009-08-03T16:55:19.518-04:002009-08-03T16:55:19.518-04:00"Dinosaur Footprints in Coal"
Did you ..."Dinosaur Footprints in Coal" <br /><br />Did you read this article from Talk Origens? What has this got to do with the flood???? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! This guy is a major moron!Wanting Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16714212596340205650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-59719320374025879232009-08-03T16:47:54.718-04:002009-08-03T16:47:54.718-04:00From the Talk origins article:
"This article...From the Talk origins article:<br /><br />"This article presents a list of questions that the story of Noah's Ark and a global flood leave unanswered and probably unanswerable, such as: How did all the fish survive?" <br /><br />How did the fish survive????? Is he serious???? That is hysterical!!!! Yes, thanks for those links! They are better than the funny papers!Wanting Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16714212596340205650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-51362143810272564662009-08-03T16:37:11.763-04:002009-08-03T16:37:11.763-04:00Carson,
The reason I answered, "No, I do not...Carson,<br /><br />The reason I answered, "No, I do not. I just have the majority of evidence behind my claim that there is no world wide flood" was because proofs apply to mathematics and undisputed is unattainable. The second any idiot disputes something, no matter how much coroborating evidence, then the issue is no longer undisputed.<br /><br />Anthony,<br /><br />A great big thank you to you for those links.Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09484481246432964371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-78552118334487864232009-08-03T16:28:51.289-04:002009-08-03T16:28:51.289-04:00Carson, DRC, DenCol: I an not a YEC. There are 100...Carson, DRC, DenCol: <i>I an not a YEC. There are 1000's of Christians who are not YECs. The gap theory says there are billions of years between verse 1 and verse 2 of Genesis and that verse 2 forward is actually a re-creation of the earth.</i><br /><br />You are truly a dispensationalist aren't you? Please tell me you are not a follower of Peter Ruckman are you?<br /><br />Regarding the gap theory, this notion has been completely debunked both exegetically and historically. No Hebrew scholar today worth her salt holds to such nonsense. The gap theory was invented to accommodate the evidence for an ancient creation.<br /><br /><i>So Anthonmy, this YEC accusation is just another one of your false assumptions and is now thoroughy refuted and debunked.</i><br /><br />Actually if you would have read carefully what I wrote, I never accused you of holding to YEC. I did accuse you of arguing the same way they do, and you proved it with your defense of flood geology. Notice that I said "you are like" the YECers. So you have not debunked anything, that is just wishful thinking.<br /><br />On the issue of polystrate fossils, see the Wikipedia article <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polystrate_fossil" rel="nofollow">here</a> and the Talk Origins article <a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/polystrate/trees.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br /><br />There are numerous places on the web that have demonstrated the fallacy of flood geology, see the one from Talk Origins <a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-flood.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> for starters.<br /><br />Any standard text on geology will give abundant evidence for the natural history of the earth and not the flood geology nonsense. I would recommend Donald Prothero's text <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Evolution-Earth-Donald-Prothero/dp/0072528087/ref=ed_oe_p" rel="nofollow">Evolution of the Earth</a>.<br /><br />I know Dennis that you won't look anything up and take the time to examine them and to evaluate the evidence provided, but I do hope anyone reading this blog holding to similar views as yours will avail themselves of the resources that I listed.Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17693944542336729866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-85033324879344557662009-08-03T16:09:35.121-04:002009-08-03T16:09:35.121-04:00So once again, do you have any PROVEN and UNDISPUT...So once again, do you have any PROVEN and UNDISPUTABLE facts?<br /><br />Toby answered, "No, I do not."<br /><br />So then NOTHING has been debunked! NOTHING! Thank you very much for the confirmation.Wanting Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16714212596340205650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-7541839269388975152009-08-03T15:54:09.746-04:002009-08-03T15:54:09.746-04:00Carson,
Please provide your "proven" fa...Carson,<br /><br />Please provide your "proven" facts.<br /><br />Also, "undisputed" facts would be even more impressive.<br /><br />I got to get back to work, have fun!Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09484481246432964371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-76942199831784732112009-08-03T15:50:48.802-04:002009-08-03T15:50:48.802-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09484481246432964371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-78061488332717902432009-08-03T15:48:08.800-04:002009-08-03T15:48:08.800-04:00Yes, I certainly do!Yes, I certainly do!Wanting Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16714212596340205650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-17362285477848311822009-08-03T15:40:50.122-04:002009-08-03T15:40:50.122-04:00Carson wrote,
"So once agin, do you have any...Carson wrote,<br /><br />"So once agin, do you have any PROVEN and UNDISPUTABLE facts?"<br /><br />No, I do not. I just have the majority of evidence behind my claim that there is no world wide flood. Do you have any proven and undisputable facts?Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09484481246432964371noreply@blogger.com