tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post5860896202517146111..comments2023-12-01T18:05:24.875-05:00Comments on Debunking Christianity: Am I Afraid Of Hell?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger105125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-36086144948566505472008-04-01T16:28:00.000-04:002008-04-01T16:28:00.000-04:00Hell is Gods holy wrath to the people that were ei...Hell is Gods holy wrath to the people that were either idolaters,unbelievers,adulterers,liars or etc. this is to show no matter what you will glorify God and show he is a just God either in your brief lifetime or in Hell forever..You pick ,personally i know that im living for Christ because all the things of this world is passing away YOU CANT TAKE ANYTHING WHEN YOU GO..if you show compassion for your sins by getting on your knees and crying out to him he will reveal himself i promise you that.chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06910471041255127942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-15587906897588177732007-07-03T23:06:00.000-04:002007-07-03T23:06:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18342042981695750691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-41933882825202622422007-06-29T13:05:00.000-04:002007-06-29T13:05:00.000-04:00This is to the poster who posted the following, an...This is to the poster who posted the following, and to any of you other unbelievers.<BR/><BR/><I>Im almost afraid of hell as I am of heaven :P<BR/><BR/>Just kidding. I dont fear shit that doesnt exist. Or at least, I dont do that anymore now that Im an adult and stopped worrying about monsters under the bed.,</I><BR/><BR/>So you don't fear things 'that doesnt exist'. Do you fear the fact that in your own belief, you will cease to exist? To all of you unbelieving scholars who think of themselves as educated (and I'm not denying that, I've read some of your posts), please describe for me what will happen to you when you die. Does your consciousness simply fizzle out? Does your capacity for thinking and feeling just go away into nothing? John Loftus, will you only live on through your books and this bloated blog? Just the thought of that would scare me. If that is what you believe and you are not scared, then you are more of a man than I.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-91609760763117351442007-06-21T23:36:00.000-04:002007-06-21T23:36:00.000-04:00Wow, look at all those Bible references talking ab...Wow, look at all those Bible references talking about hell. If the conversation revolves around a supposed Bible doctrine, then were are the references, for and against???? <BR/><BR/>Hell as a place of eternal torment doesn't exist because the BIBLE doesn't suggest it exists (at least not in the sense of eternal suffering). Simple stuff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-89666509728969220522007-06-19T06:52:00.000-04:002007-06-19T06:52:00.000-04:00Hi maybeitsnonsense! Good luck to you, whatever y...Hi maybeitsnonsense! Good luck to you, whatever you decide. It seems to me that you shouldn't let fear of Hell control your thinking, no matter whether you're an atheist or a believer. The idea of eternal torment does, understandably, have a way of commandeering the imagination: that's why it's such a successful meme.<BR/><BR/>Doesn't make it true, though- it is a natural consequence of the knowledge of our own death, and its usefulness in enforcing rules that help build societies. Divine carrots and sticks have evolved over and over.<BR/><BR/>Btw- I'd love to meet you all. If any of you are ever in Vienna, or the SF Bay Area, drop me a line, and the beer (or coffee, or whatever) is on me. That goes for you too, Calvin.zilchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01695741977946935771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-26545885166237710482007-06-19T06:37:00.000-04:002007-06-19T06:37:00.000-04:00i am glad to have stumbled upon this blog. it is r...i am glad to have stumbled upon this blog. it is refreshing- and even a bit scary. scary because i am on the path to deconversion, it seems.<BR/>i am afraid of hell- but i do not want that fear to control my thinking, to control my journey. <BR/>i do not want a fear of hell to stop me from questioning and facing the answers.lotushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05399280809180102216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-11266086755899703382007-06-19T03:49:00.000-04:002007-06-19T03:49:00.000-04:00I don't know but I been toldCan't get to Heaven in...I don't know but I been told<BR/>Can't get to Heaven in a jello moldzilchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01695741977946935771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1884302964972067772007-06-19T03:01:00.000-04:002007-06-19T03:01:00.000-04:00The chances that you are wrong are very slim. You ...The chances that you are wrong are very slim. You have 50-50 chance of being a god or not being god(s) at all. When you split the 50% chance of being a god into all the religions of the world (Flying Spagetti Monster included). Christianity remains with around 5% chances of being right. Than you have 34.000 denominations and you get 1,5 to a million chance of betting on the right christian denomination. And to place this kind bet for one of these you have to give up your brain and your balls. But than again there are pretty good signals that if a God exists she din't give you a brain to gamble.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-8648124975279178142007-06-18T23:56:00.000-04:002007-06-18T23:56:00.000-04:00Oh, and Calvin, you dolt, for someone suppoosedly ...Oh, and Calvin, you dolt, for someone suppoosedly as devotedly concerned with his Perfect Image as your God is, He was certainly an incompetent nitwit when it came to the writing and editing of that huge self-marketing campaign manual you call the Bible, as well as a lousy, irresponsible manager when it came to the people who He entrusted with getting the word out. Any Hollywood agent could beat God in the image-selling business without breathing hard.Speedwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03183564986255249281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-73861592554234040502007-06-18T23:45:00.000-04:002007-06-18T23:45:00.000-04:00I don't know what God you're talking about but my ...<I>I don't know what God you're talking about but my God laid down his life for me that I might live. </I><BR/><BR/>So did quite a few of your country's soldiers and policemen. Do you also worship them?<BR/><BR/>I am so sick of hearing that someone giving up their life is some sort of devastating, earthshattering last word in heroism. Many people do it every day. If I got killed tomorrow pushing a kid out of the way of an oncoming car, I might rate a two inch column in the newspaper. His children and his children's children from that day to all eternity would not worship me as a divine being just because I laid down my life to save their forebear without whom they would never have been born. Big fricking deal.Speedwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03183564986255249281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-5402627001755787172007-04-07T06:06:00.000-04:002007-04-07T06:06:00.000-04:00He wraps Himself in lightAnd darkness tries to hid...He wraps Himself in light<BR/>And darkness tries to hide<BR/>And trembles at His voice<BR/>And trembles at His voice<BR/>How great is our God<BR/>Sing with me<BR/>How great is our God<BR/>And all the world will see<BR/>How great, How great is our GodAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-25105697369449940212007-04-05T20:46:00.000-04:002007-04-05T20:46:00.000-04:00I don't think my positon is stupid or callous at a...I don't think my positon is stupid or callous at all. What is stupid and callous is for you to call a Holy God evil, stupid, and callous. Before you continue, listen to yourself and how stupid and callous your position is. Let it go John.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-6754923132772814342007-04-05T20:04:00.000-04:002007-04-05T20:04:00.000-04:00Calvin you may believe this but it is completely s...Calvin you may believe this but it is completely stupid and callous to us here. You've made your point. Let it go. But before you do, listen to yourself. But let it go. No more from you about such a stupid and callous position.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-87852335726007876542007-04-05T20:00:00.000-04:002007-04-05T20:00:00.000-04:00Revelation 19: Halleluja! Salvation and Glory and ...Revelation 19: Halleluja! Salvation and Glory and power belong to our God, for His judgements are true and just; for He has judged the great prostitute who corrupted the earth with her immorality, and has avenged on her the blood of His servents.<BR/><BR/>Luke 18:7-8: Shall not God bring about justice for His elect, who cry to Him day and night, and will He delay long over them? I tell you that He will bring about justice for them speedily? God's future justice for the opponents of His people is pictured as relief. Future justice for God's enemies is pictured as future grace for God's people.<BR/>Rev. 18: Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you saints and apostles and prophets, because God has pronounced judgement for you against her. The final destruction of the unrepentent will not be experienced as a misery for God's people. The saints will experience the vindication of Truth as a great grace. The saints do not rejoice in having their revenge glutted, but in seeing justice executed and in seeing the love and tenderness of God towards them. The future grace of God's justice is what helps us overcome revenge and bitterness towards others. I will repay says the Lord. The promise that frees us from an unforgiving, vengeful, spirit. If a Christian offends us we look to the cross. All wrongs done to us by Christians were avenged at the cross. All sin will be avenged either at the cross or in hell. What this means is that we have no right to harbor bitterness towards believers or unbelievers. The judicial predicament is broken.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-83080183273820319512007-04-05T19:39:00.000-04:002007-04-05T19:39:00.000-04:00I find the real hate from you Aaron, how you're so...I find the real hate from you Aaron, how you're so much "wiser" of a person than a christian. I would point out a passage from scripture but just about everytime I do it gets deleted. If atheists have nothing to fear, then quit deleting my posts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-88801428305827182472007-04-05T19:14:00.000-04:002007-04-05T19:14:00.000-04:00Calvin said:I'm not cold just because I believe in...Calvin said:<BR/><BR/><I>I'm not cold just because I believe in a Holy God. Those that go to hell deserve to be there. Like I said I don't care if you dislike me or not. I love my Father and He loves me. You don't respect me. Why? Because I dissagree with you and because I'm willing to tell you like it is. I know what you hate by reading your posts. When God casts sinners into hell I will be rejoicing in heaven just like the Bible says I will and if that makes you mad and causes you to not like me. So be it. </I><BR/><BR/>This, is just disgusting. This is some of the most anti-human, anti-life crap Ive read from a Christian cultist in quite some time. <BR/><BR/>You may not make Kim mad Calvin, but you make me mad. Rather, your devaluing of humanity in favor of an imaginary space friend makes me mad. You are a total slave suffering from stockholm syndrome. Its horrendous.<BR/><BR/>Yet, I find much joy in the realization that your kind is going the way of the dodo. In addition, I also am encouraged by the knowledge that, when you write horrible trash such as this, you turn off others from your cult. Have you noticed that Chrisitanity is losing popularity in the Western world, notably in America? <BR/><BR/>Well, when Christians like you spout out things like this, it only increases the hemhorrage of faith that is bleeding the church dry, emptying pews, and closing down seminary training classes. <BR/><BR/>Why is it that there are 1000 xtian-turned-atheist blogs for every 1 atheist-turned-theist blog? <BR/><BR/>It is because of people like you, who do more damage to your own cult than outside atheists could ever do. <BR/><BR/>Have fun living your delusion and looking forward to the day you die. I hope you never change. Youre doing great work for atheism :PAaron Kinneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12059982934663353474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-47643641554473386242007-04-05T18:41:00.000-04:002007-04-05T18:41:00.000-04:00Im almost afraid of hell as I am of heaven :PJust ...Im almost afraid of hell as I am of heaven :P<BR/><BR/>Just kidding. I dont fear shit that doesnt exist. Or at least, I dont do that anymore now that Im an adult and stopped worrying about monsters under the bed.Aaron Kinneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12059982934663353474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-90083565331236814442007-04-05T16:48:00.000-04:002007-04-05T16:48:00.000-04:00We love because God loved us first.We love because God loved us first.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-9531488668835903812007-04-05T07:44:00.000-04:002007-04-05T07:44:00.000-04:00Heather,People don't see God's passion for His Glo...Heather,<BR/><BR/>People don't see God's passion for His Glory as an act of love. One reason is that we have absorbed the world's definition of love. It says you are loved when you are made much of. The problem with this is when you apply it to God's love for us it distorts reality. God's love for us is not mainly His making much of us, but His giving us His grace to enjoy making much of Him forever. God's love for us keeps God at the center. God's love for us exalts His value and our satisfaction in it. God's love labors and suffers to break our bondage to the idol of self and focus our affections on the treasure of God. Love is doing whatever you need to do to help people see and savor the Glory of God in Christ forever. Love keeps God central. Because the soul was made for God. Father I desire that they...be with me...to see my Glory. John 17<BR/>Divine love labors and suffers to enthrall us with what is eternally satisfying: God in Christ. Let us be like Christ and labor and suffer to lead as many as we can into this all satisfying love.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-25492441201807900042007-04-05T05:58:00.000-04:002007-04-05T05:58:00.000-04:00hahahahahaYou're funny rich. That was a good one.hahahahaha<BR/><BR/>You're funny rich. That was a good one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-5226347871593542242007-04-04T18:33:00.000-04:002007-04-04T18:33:00.000-04:00Calvin said:Love is the overflow of the joy in God...Calvin said:<BR/><BR/><I>Love is the overflow of the joy in God that gladly meets the needs of others.</I><BR/><BR/>Are you saying that atheists cannot love, as they have no joy in God?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-24305583260883853142007-04-04T10:59:00.000-04:002007-04-04T10:59:00.000-04:00Heather,Love is the overflow of the joy in God tha...Heather,<BR/><BR/>Love is the overflow of the joy in God that gladly meets the needs of others. It is a satisfying experience of God's grace and then a doubling satisfying experience of sharing that grace with another person.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-55780359886309844652007-04-04T10:55:00.000-04:002007-04-04T10:55:00.000-04:00Wow, Calvin, you persist in telling an all-powerfu...Wow, Calvin, you persist in telling an all-powerful God what he MUST and MUST NOT do. You claim to know the will and nature of God outside of a clear reading of his Word. You try to use your limited human intellect to draw shaky inferences about the nature of God, and then trumpet you secret knowledge as fact.<BR/><BR/>Blasphemer. Heretic. Idolater.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-71234662387358202012007-04-03T20:44:00.000-04:002007-04-03T20:44:00.000-04:00Heather,Jesus put His Father first. The connection...Heather,<BR/><BR/>Jesus put His Father first. The connection between God's delight in His name and His delight in me is when I take refuge in His name. When I take refuge in His name, He exults over me with loud singing. Seeking refuge in the name of God honors God, and when He is honored He rejoices. The Father bruised the Son so that sinners could take refuge in His name, and that the nations might glorify God for His mercy. If you humble yourself and seek the glory of God and if you hide your name in the name of God then your heavenly Father who loves His name above all things will reward you and exult over you with loud singing. The death of Jesus honored the Father and so vindicated the Glory of His name that God forgives all who stake their lives on the worth of Jesus.<BR/>Your sins are forgiven FOR THE SAKE OF HIS NAME. (1 John 2:12). Christ's name, and therefore God's name and God's honor is at stake whenever we fly to Jesus for refuge and bank on HIS WORTH instead of our own. The distortion of Divine love into self admiration is subtle. We claim to be praising God because of His love for us. But if His love for us is at bottom making much of us, who is really being praised? We are willing to be God centered as long as God is man centered. We are willing to boast in the cross as long as the cross is a witness to our worth. Who then is our pride and joy? All God's gifts are loving only to the degree that they lead us to God Himself. That is what God's love is: His commitment to do everything necessary (the death of His Son) to enthrall us with what is most deeply satisfying - Himself. No one goes to the grand canyon to enhance His self-esteem. They go for joy yes. But the soul health of happiness doesn't come from beholding a great self. It comes from beholding a Great Splendor. God gives the grace and He gets the glory. FOR YOUR NAMES SAKE, O LORD, PARDON MY GUILT, FOR IT IS GREAT (Psalms 25:11). HELP US O GOD OF OUR SALVATION FOR THE GLORY OF YOUR NAME, DELIVER US, AND FORGIVE OUR SINS, FOR YOUR NAMES SAKE (PSALMS 79:9). The glory of God's name is the goal and ground of everything we do and pray. God's love for His Son is the love that He has for Himself. That love spills over to the Saints. As God contemplates the image of His own glory in the person of His Son, He is infinitely happy. God is supremely and eternaly happy in the fellowship of the Trinity. God is unique as an all glorious, totally self-sufficient being. He must be for Himself if He is to be for us. If God should turn away from Himself as the Source of infinite joy, He would cease to be God. He would deny the infinite worth of His own Glory. He would imply that there is something more valuable outside Himself. He persues the praises of His name in the hearts of His people. The one thing that God could give us to prove that He is absolutely loving is Himself. The climax of His happiness is the delight He takes in the echoes of His excellence in the praises of the saints. The persuit of praise from us and our persuit of pleasure in Him are the same pursuit. This is the Gospel. He loves us and seeks the fullness of our joy that can be known in loving and praising Him, the most magnificent of all Beings. If He is truly for us He must be for Himself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-50754695290795302672007-04-03T18:56:00.000-04:002007-04-03T18:56:00.000-04:00**Therefore He must love Himself above all things....**Therefore He must love Himself above all things. For Him not to do so would be a sin. ** No matter how you describe it, it comes across as narcissistic, Calvin. Which you agree with, if the statement was applied to a person. And loving one's self above all things is selfish, if seen in a person. If someone's love and attention and glory is all turned inwards, would you really want to be around that person? Would you find that person attractive? Because this is the same type of attitude that leads to a lack of compassion and love and even justice.<BR/><BR/>Part of what attracted people to Jesus is that he didn't put himself first, but put his love for the world ahead of himself. Or that God put the love of his son ahead of everything else. And that is not the God you are describing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com