tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post4526066439524896231..comments2023-12-01T18:05:24.875-05:00Comments on Debunking Christianity: Another One Leaves the Fold: "Diary of a Beleaver"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger243125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-59925540583357094092010-06-13T00:53:11.404-04:002010-06-13T00:53:11.404-04:00Right, I get it.
If the men were bad, they had to...Right, I get it.<br /><br />If the men were bad, they had to go beyond that to the superlative for descriptions of their god, otherwise he'd be just another puny being.<br /><br />Still, that wasn't a logical extension that I was making at the time I said it.GearHedEdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288513835630145996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-58081817470319973272010-06-13T00:41:14.863-04:002010-06-13T00:41:14.863-04:00GearHedEd said... "Gandolph,
Hate to break t...GearHedEd said... "Gandolph,<br /><br />Hate to break this to you, but see my post of 8:01 on June 12.<br /><br />I never implied that men were "colossal bastards", but that the god that men created WAS a colossal bastard.<br /><br />Harvey was the one who misread the statement, and ran with it."<br /><br />Hey GearhedEd i understand.But still it realy takes men that are colossal bastards ,to ever be able to think up the idea of a God that they created that was a colossal bastard.<br /><br />If the people that thought the God up were kind nice civilized people, its very unlikely they would have thought to create a God that was a colossel bastard.It would have been far more likely the god they created would have been a colossel nice bastard ,instead.<br /><br />IE Gods were often made in the much the same image/thinking of those men that thought them up .Ancient people were often quite tough and harsh, they often lived tough harsh unforgiving lives,and so became tough harsh and unforgiving themselves by nature.Thats how they could think of doing such harsh stuff, such as sometimes even sacrificing their own children etc.<br /><br />Them were the days when they nailed people on crosses and maybe might even think to stone you or pour hot oil down your throat etc.<br /><br />Many were colossel mean bastards, because thats how their lives were,and their idea of God-/s wasnt any nice god ..they was colossel mean bastards tooGandolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624178234332819107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-79502356013798453952010-06-12T22:59:49.141-04:002010-06-12T22:59:49.141-04:00Gandolph,
Hate to break this to you, but see my p...Gandolph,<br /><br />Hate to break this to you, but see my post of 8:01 on June 12.<br /><br /> I never implied that men were "colossal bastards", but that the god that men created WAS a colossal bastard.<br /><br />Harvey was the one who misread the statement, and ran with it.GearHedEdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288513835630145996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-11889535165119713812010-06-12T22:42:28.517-04:002010-06-12T22:42:28.517-04:00Harvey said..."Yes you do Gandy...I don't...Harvey said..."Yes you do Gandy...I don't struggle with those animalistic thoughts that you describe...murder isn't a consideration...not from evolution, it's because of what Christ did in my life. So you see a difference, recognize a difference and more to the point, hold forth that the Christian standard is higher than average...thus your pointing me to that standard as to say that I'm beneath it..."<br /><br />Harvado look my friend you dont need to be a murderer or even just have thoughts of murdering, to still be seen to seem to still be, stuck back in having many cave man type thoughts and attitudes.<br /><br />By fact of your very acceptance of your ancient faith you are possessed and stuck back in some very cave man type thoughts Harvado.<br /><br />Though you are seen here trying to twist and screw what GearHedEd had said about man being a "colossal bastard ", most of us here understand what he means.<br /><br />And when we look at your cave man bible thought and morals etc, we can vividly see what nasty " colossal bastard " type thoughtless ignorant thinking, some ancient cave man type people actually still had, that could allow them to even think of such nasty thoughtless things.<br /><br />They were such ignorant nasty people that their " colossal bastard " type ignorant uncivilized minds, dreamed up the likelhood of cruel gods (cruel because their own minds were still cave man style and cruel and uncivilized)who even discussed smashing babies heads against rocks,and thoughts of offering their own daughter up for sex, to save a male from being raped by other men.<br /><br />GearHedEd is correct these ancient mens minds were still stuck in the rut of being uncivilized "colossal bastard" cave man style thoughts.<br /><br />Really not so very far from what you still are today sometimes Harv ...L.o.L<br /><br />You the Pastor " colossal bastard " bully cave man type religious freak, along with your faithful cronies, will ALL still look "down on" and "despise" and "condemn" any folks who simply happen to have found some love and happiness, in a same sex relationship.You the cave man Pastor " colossal bastard " type, who still follows a ancient nasty faith designed by ancient " colossal bastard " cave men ,which demotes women to being the lessor human being, and holds them in subjection, to old nasty thoughtless ignorant cave man style ( colossal bastard ) faithful folks thoughts and faith rules.<br /><br />So you see my friend Harvado, you just dont need to be thinking of murder, to still actually be stuck back in some " colossal bastard " cave man style type uncivilized anamilistic views.<br /><br />And when you go and call me a moaner for openly discussing the matter of faith abuse.<br /><br />It is just your backward anamalistic "colossal bastard " ancient uncivilized cave man type attitude, taking over you Harvado and carrying you back towards being a little more uncivilized.<br /><br />You need to get far better control on your ancient animal instincts! Harvey.Being stuck in following the ancient faith of cave man style "colossal bastards" lines of thinking ,very obviously isnt really helping you much!.That has become very plain to see<br /><br />So...maybe you should try becoming atheist?<br /><br />So happens we are very civilized and forgiving folk !.And so we wont be needing, to have any ancient cave man "colossal bastard" type thinking and idiotic ideas, which condemns you to need to think of forever rotting in some mythical place "colossal bastard" cave man called hell.Gandolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624178234332819107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-84092419031239748662010-06-12T21:45:39.085-04:002010-06-12T21:45:39.085-04:00Harvey said..."They are all immaterial...no e...Harvey said..."They are all immaterial...no extension in time and space, offer no empirical verification...In fact I GUARANTEE that in order to even postulate their existence you have to assume certain facts before the investigation begins...Certain things must be assumed ie; taken by faith, before you can even set forth a truth regarding either one...That's a GUARANTEE."<br /><br />Well Harvey with such "strong faith" like that surely you just cant go wrong! so you wont be "afraid" to accept the challenge! i suggested.Do take it up, and please please get ole Voxy interested in agreeing to coming along to hold your hand.<br /><br />We look forward to see you both on stage ..Maybe the comedy channel?...Penn and Teller maybe?.<br /><br />But anyway should be interesting and make for great TV .The day Voxy and the C.O.G.I.C Pastor publically pit "logic" of a fish slapping experience up against matters of faith .To cut the rhetoric! and try proving both "logic" and "faith" do "honestly" lay at the very same level.<br /><br />Now come on quit your stalling.If you are afraid to take up this challange! you are simply not worth arguing with anymore here about this subject.It simply becomes obvious and very plain to see you fear! because you know that the logic of my challenge is infact a matter of being a whole lot more than only being a matter of faith.<br /><br />If you wish to still argue my logic honestly actually is nothing more than faith.<br /><br />Then save yourself from looking like the gutless Pastor full of rhetoric, but of little real honest substance!, like you are now getting in very grave danger of exposing yourself of being here on this blog. Simply agree to my challenge, having strong faith in also being able to prove your point in public on stage, with your friend Voxy taking part and holding your hand, if you feel you honestly can.<br /><br />If you dont its so very blatantly obvious .You obviously have absolutely no honest faith in that what you tried to argue.<br /><br />Whats worse it will become also very obvious you are even far to gutless and dishonest to even dare admit it.<br /><br />You are making yourself look sad and stupid here Harvey.I simply ask you to explain why not? take up my challenge!, if you honestly have such faith in that what you had tried to suggest?.<br /><br />It can only be that you are obviously worried and afraid, because you know we actually can prove "logic" is actually a little bit more than just being a simple matter of "faith"!.Gandolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624178234332819107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-9224453139957854222010-06-12T20:13:16.905-04:002010-06-12T20:13:16.905-04:00Go back to your adoring sheeple, and preach to the...Go back to your adoring sheeple, and preach to the choir. At least THEY pretend to enjoy listening to you.GearHedEdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288513835630145996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-53270260726352395802010-06-12T20:10:48.841-04:002010-06-12T20:10:48.841-04:00And Blasphemy is STILL a victimless crim.eAnd Blasphemy is STILL a victimless crim.eGearHedEdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288513835630145996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-5738907947935097872010-06-12T20:08:47.486-04:002010-06-12T20:08:47.486-04:00If you had anything constructive to contribute, yo...If you had anything constructive to contribute, you would have done so before now, and would have no need to throw insults.<br /><br />I am glad you show yourself for the incompetent that you are.<br /><br />"Mischaracterization" means not understanding the argument, and you do this so regularly it looks intentional.<br /><br />"Misattribution" is where you say that someone said something that someone else said, and you do that pretty regularly, too.<br /><br />AND...<br /><br />I'm not an English major. I have an engineering degree, but I could write better than you do NOW when I was in fifth grade.<br /><br />For someone who wishes to be known for "rightly dividing the Word", you have a curious LACK of mastery of the medium in which you practice.GearHedEdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288513835630145996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-9820574570530476782010-06-12T20:01:44.767-04:002010-06-12T20:01:44.767-04:00Harvey said,
"Here's another of the igno...Harvey said,<br /><br />"Here's another of the ignoramus and hardly famous:<br /><br />He said:"Man invented god in Man's image, that's why He's such a colossal bastard."<br /><br />Then he covers his tracks and says:<br /><br />I wasn't implying that Man was a colossal bastard, I was saying unequivocally that GOD is a colossal bastard (in the mythological stories we read, but YOU believe is Trooth).<br /><br />NO buddy...you should know (although I'll give it to you that you don't) that man can't create something other than is familiar with his experience. Since you believe man created God and you state that God is a "colossal bastard" then the inference is clear, man also must be that...there's no escaping it."<br /><br />--------------------------------<br /><br />Talk about covering tracks!!!<br /><br />Do you seriously expect ANYONE reading this to believe that YOU were not UTTERLY WRONG about what I said in the first place, and now you're trying to say that "no, I did understand, and here's my backpedalling explanation"..."<br />is in any way believable?<br /><br />You fail yet again.GearHedEdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288513835630145996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-63411169419087801102010-06-12T17:12:49.167-04:002010-06-12T17:12:49.167-04:00Look I'm out...I can see there's nothing m...Look I'm out...I can see there's nothing more to contribute and entertainment has reached an all time high...<br /><br />Later!District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-11936605401843453952010-06-12T17:06:36.297-04:002010-06-12T17:06:36.297-04:00Here's the "colossal bastard's" ...Here's the "colossal bastard's" excuses:<br /><br /><i>And no, it was supposed to be "REQUIRE". I accidentally hit the 'w' insteaad of the 'q', which you may note are right next to each other on the keyboard, and missed correcting myself."</i><br /><br />NOW, no one makes mistakes but the Jr. Colossal Bastard...I guess your finger got stuck on that a when you wrote "Insteaad" too...<br /><br />So, "Jr. Colossal Bastard" are we to just look over your mistakes as if they are nothing, or should we point out your mistakes on the regular??? <br /><br />I mean you so ELOQUENTLY point out mine as if they are doing something to steal your peace...Are you trying to be "intentionally harmful" you axe murderer you...or is STUPIDITY just your hobby???<br /><br />Inquiring minds would like to know...District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-48993531292122358542010-06-12T17:00:19.631-04:002010-06-12T17:00:19.631-04:00Here's another of the ignoramus and hardly fam...Here's another of the ignoramus and hardly famous:<br /><br />He said:<i>"Man invented god in Man's image, that's why He's such a colossal bastard."</i><br /><br />Then he covers his tracks and says:<br /><br /><i>I wasn't implying that Man was a colossal bastard, I was saying unequivocally that GOD is a colossal bastard (in the mythological stories we read, but YOU believe is Trooth).</i><br /><br />NO buddy...you should know (although I'll give it to you that you don't) that man can't create something other than is familiar with his experience. Since you believe man created God and you state that God is a "colossal bastard" then the inference is clear, man also must be that...there's no escaping it. <br /><br />We're not talking about "Alice In Wonderland" we're talking about a book that claims moral value and code of living for every human...works of fiction don't make that claim...If man created God, and God is a colossal bastard" as stated by you, then MAN is a colossal bastard or at the very least a bastard according to your logic and what you lay out...<br /><br />Live with it, you "sub-colossal bastard"...LOL!!!!You are too funny Gear...I'm sorry I can't laugh with you...I am laughin' at you...OK...just so we're clear.<br /><br />See this is what I'm talking about...would someone read this and let's play Sesame Street:<br /><br /><i>No one can argue with you Harvey. Your command of the English is woefully inadequate, and your powers of perception (continually mischaracterizing arguments, misattributing quotes to the wrong person, etc.) are so utterly lacking that it's NO WONDER you BELIEVE the drivel that's in the Bible.</i><br /><br />Now I guess that's supposed to offend and make some powerful statement...but let's look ad see what we see...<br /><br />He says I an not an English major, fair enough I'm not...But I'm no speller either but I have enough sense to know that no one can be "mischaracterizing" and "misattributing" at the same time...maybe we could do one or the other and maybe we could simply Mischaracterize but not mischaracterizing.<br /><br />As I said, I look over u if u do 2...District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-74034053043577243882010-06-12T16:58:55.712-04:002010-06-12T16:58:55.712-04:00You twist arguments, misuse common words, can'...You twist arguments, misuse common words, can't remember who said what, AND you can't spell.<br /><br />So STFUGearHedEdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288513835630145996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-34362101403485121132010-06-12T16:57:31.028-04:002010-06-12T16:57:31.028-04:00And no, it was supposed to be "REQUIRE"....And no, it was supposed to be "REQUIRE". I accidentally hit the 'w' insteaad of the 'q', which you may note are right next to each other on the keyboard, and missed correcting myself.GearHedEdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288513835630145996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-68358299990596070722010-06-12T16:55:24.083-04:002010-06-12T16:55:24.083-04:00You have nothing to criticize me on except typos. ...You have nothing to criticize me on except typos. <br /><br />Causality and contingency are arguments used by philosophers to cloud the issues. The semicolon is fine where I put it.<br /><br />Save your sermon for the sheeple who agree with everything you mumble in the aisles of your COGIC church.<br /><br />You have nothing intelligent to contribute, that much is clear.GearHedEdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288513835630145996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-82915715820424894872010-06-12T16:40:19.102-04:002010-06-12T16:40:19.102-04:00Now, here's yet another of the many illustrati...Now, here's yet another of the many illustrations of STUPIDITY coming from Gearbutt,<br /><br />he says<i>"...to your idiotic claim that genetics precludes free will is so <b>imcredibly</b> <b>stoopid</b> that I don't even know where to begin."</i><br /><br />Well first why don't you begin by using a dictionary...I mean "imcredibly" and "stoopid" I'm sure they aren't words, at least in worlds other than Pandora.<br /><br />Maybe you can use "imcredibly" and "stoopid" as bookends to your new library!!! <br /><br />Now the only reason I do this (because I don't care about these type of errors) is because you're so willing, eager and quick to point out my flaws in the use of English, grammar and spelling like you're a school teacher...you're an idiot too...If I'm one, U R 2! Keep that in mind please. <br /><br />In addition I can tell you don't know jack about causality and contingency so your arguments are unconvincing and not worth my time or attention. <br /><br />Here's another of your many mistakes:<i>"Believe what you want<b>;</b> but it has no influence on reality, and doesn't <b>rewuire</b> that I or any other non-believers are subject to your delusions."</i><br /><br />Now tell me, is that semi-colon supposed to be there? How about "rewuire"...Isn't that supposed to be spelled REWIRE??? I just wanna know!<br /><br />Now we wouldn't go down this road if you weren't so filled with hate and rage...Are you trying to be "intentionally harmful" or what?District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-27000688918750690232010-06-12T16:36:08.254-04:002010-06-12T16:36:08.254-04:00And that whole thing about goading us to answer yo...And that whole thing about goading us to answer you about "evil" was just your desire to drag us into a trap of your own design. We tried to get you to speak plainly about what you "really" meant when you said "evil", but you refused to answer for two days.<br /><br />So I tackled it, even knowing that your response was going to take the form of "HA! I gotcha! That's not what I meant!"<br /><br />It would not have mattered how ANYONE had argued it; your response was fixed beforehand. I could hear you breathing through your mouth from here.GearHedEdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288513835630145996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-80744387397118857712010-06-12T16:30:52.156-04:002010-06-12T16:30:52.156-04:00Harvey said,
"...why, I think you're the...Harvey said,<br /><br />"...why, I think you're the one that believes that flat out murder isn't an evil action it's only an "intentionally harmful" act...What a FARCE!"<br /><br />First, Ryan was the one who said "intentionally harmful". Misattribution.<br /><br />Second, calling me names is indicative that I've pushed your buttons to such an extent that you have to resort to those tactics because your ARGUMENTS have FAILED.<br /><br />Third, "tstill" was a typo that I missed correcting. Show mw where I've used bad grammar, like you constantly do.<br /><br />To attack me on the basis of one typo mistake, is less than juvenile, especially coming from someone who claims the title "pastor".GearHedEdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288513835630145996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-69224613923448982502010-06-12T16:25:11.623-04:002010-06-12T16:25:11.623-04:00Harvey asks,
"Where's the standard then?...Harvey asks,<br /><br />"Where's the standard then?"<br /><br />I told you before: the standard is the Golden Rule (generic pre-Christian version).<br /><br />We all have to share this planet. And it's getting crowded, so we have to have ways to get along.<br /><br />This is simple, and requires no GODLY advice.GearHedEdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288513835630145996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-33102384598694780652010-06-12T16:23:32.532-04:002010-06-12T16:23:32.532-04:00Gandy,
You said:"Atleast i can say i have a ...Gandy,<br /><br />You said:<i>"Atleast i can say i have a little more than just "faith", that things like ,emotion,logic,and math actually really do honestly exist Harv :)"</i><br /><br />Take any one of them and prove it. Just one, any one...<br /><br />They are all immaterial...no extension in time and space, offer no empirical verification...In fact I GUARANTEE that in order to even postulate their existence you have to assume certain facts before the investigation begins...Certain things must be assumed ie; taken by faith, before you can even set forth a truth regarding either one...That's a GUARANTEE.<br /><br />Math...answer this, what is one? Under a purely naturalistic view, how can one exist by itself? Prove that Gandy and I'll be impressed.District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-90161583202360249362010-06-12T16:22:07.010-04:002010-06-12T16:22:07.010-04:00Harvey said,
"...It's always a biblical ...Harvey said,<br /><br />"...It's always a biblical standard for conduct that you use. Always. <br /><br />It's no big issue and I understand it."<br /><br />We (non-believers) are only recognizing the pervasiveness entrenched in the general society when referring to "biblical standards", NOT the notion that there's inherent 'truth' in it.<br /><br />Why does the last lemming jump off the cliff, Harvey? Is it because all the other million or so that went first were "right"?<br /><br />Your suggestion that we use 'biblical standards' fails in that the only reason to do so is because of sheer numbers, not because it's true.<br /><br />And nice attempt to place yourself in the "righteous" side of THAT scale, Pharisee.GearHedEdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288513835630145996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-68752599267236057782010-06-12T16:16:44.911-04:002010-06-12T16:16:44.911-04:00Hey I looked it up and "tstill" is both ...Hey I looked it up and "tstill" is both a world and a word...It was on Avatar!District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-35460662534550111772010-06-12T16:14:22.490-04:002010-06-12T16:14:22.490-04:00Here's a Gearhead IDIOT,
He says"And you...Here's a Gearhead IDIOT,<br /><br />He says<i>"And your grasp of English is tstill horrible. It's no wonder no one else will publish your "books"."</i><br /><br />Now I suppose that "tstill" is a world that we're supposed to take from this fool to mean something????<br /><br />Now I see why you don't write ANYTHING at all...obviously because you don't know what the heck you're talking about!<br /><br />Do yourself a favor, get off the pot and the crack, come back after rehab!District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-16943623294155966932010-06-12T16:10:39.231-04:002010-06-12T16:10:39.231-04:00Gearbutt,
Where's the standard then? As I sai...Gearbutt,<br /><br />Where's the standard then? As I said that you can't answer...Where's the standard? If it's in you and your mind I REJECT it...So where is it?<br /><br />Where is anything under your rubric if true that I have to act and treat you a certain way...<br /><br />Are you silly or what? <br /><br />You assessment means NOTHING...these is no such thing as self-righteousness under atheist morality...it's all relative and nothing is absolutely certain...You have no banner to waive or judge me by in any form or shape...why, I think you're the one that believes that flat out murder isn't an evil action it's only an "intentionally harmful" act...What a FARCE!<br /><br />You cannot bring even the slightest judgement to me...you're not qualified to do so...Mr. "intentionally harmful"!<br /><br />Pleeeease!District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-34006349306681037332010-06-12T16:05:43.363-04:002010-06-12T16:05:43.363-04:00Harvey asks'
"...you don't measure m...Harvey asks'<br /><br />"...you don't measure me to [an] atheistic standard do you???"<br /><br />If we did, you would fail, miserably. Just like your religion fails.GearHedEdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288513835630145996noreply@blogger.com