tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post3564157732326565890..comments2023-12-01T18:05:24.875-05:00Comments on Debunking Christianity: What Have I Learned From Blogging For Several Years?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-19887935395008356422009-11-08T06:20:06.044-05:002009-11-08T06:20:06.044-05:00Amen, Gandolf!! Great comments above and further ...Amen, Gandolf!! Great comments above and further up!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-39965030897091692372009-11-07T17:50:59.344-05:002009-11-07T17:50:59.344-05:00Thomas said... "If you could explain how some...Thomas said... "If you could explain how something came from nothing and how life came from non-life, I may consider atheism. Oh, and also explain how you could define anything as good or bad without being subjective and begging the question.<br /><br />Finally, demonstrate how logic could have evolved without being arbitrary and subjective. Essentially provide an atheist epistemology."<br /><br /><br />Thomas what makes you think, to be atheist you (have) to believe life came from nothing?.There is many posibilities.<br /><br />Atheist just see no evidence of god/s,and think its stupid to simply just (guess) there must be gods.And bloody dangerous too,which its often proved to be.<br /><br />Not many these days need to beg the question, of if its ok to kill someone for absolutely no good reason at all.Its one moral pretty close to being thought objective,a very large majority of people agree these days on not killing folks for no good reason at all.<br /><br />Anyway god morals prove they only ever evolved too,we can see it in bibles etc when there was once a time that supposedly the gods told us stoning people to death was a real good thing.But the moral evolved!,and we no longer agree with stoning people to death.It proves most likely it was never even a objective moral from any god in the first place.<br /><br />The human race working together as a group helps our logic evolve and grow.Its part of the reason we learn many new things,unless you really believe some god gives folks the plans of how to build space rockets and things.<br /><br />This idea many faith believers seem to get stuck in their heads,that somehow atheism equals everyone just doing their own thing .Idea of atheists being into nihilism and anarchy etc,is just propaganda and bullshit and deceit of folks of faith that are even prepared to be complete liars for their jesus if thats what it takes to try to protect their belief in gods .Gandolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624178234332819107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-36008797923924567702009-11-07T16:23:18.578-05:002009-11-07T16:23:18.578-05:00I'm going to agree with John and say that Chri...I'm going to agree with John and say that Christianity's metaphysics do more to confuse the reality of things than to actually make anything clearer. I can't even count the number of philosophical issues I've encountered in my Christian life that have absolutely no rational conclusion and are often times completely paradoxical. Does God predestine or is there free will, for instance? Is god loving or a psychotic spiteful bastard? How many times does the Holy Spirit have to disagree in order for us to just poo-poo the whole idea? These and many other 'metaphysics' explain NOTHING in the real world and I'd say the only thing helpful we get from Christianity is an explanation of how the universe came to be, and even that explanation is pretty poor.stamati anagnostouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08933207821787646512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-44685662213094898872009-11-07T12:44:03.083-05:002009-11-07T12:44:03.083-05:00>>>Where did I make a claim for any of th...>>>Where did I make a claim for any of those things you listed?<br /><br />Surely you must have good reasons to believe that life came from non-life and that logic evolved and that morality can be defined in any substantive way without begging the question.<br /><br />You and John do have reasons, right?<br /><br /><br />I don't know the answers to your questions, but I do know that "godditit" is is a cop out. There was a time when people thought gods caused things like thunder, moving the sun across the sky, etc. In fact, the more that is learned about the world the more gods a pushed into the ever shrinking gaps.NightFlighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04353837222817533315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-24936664202920573062009-11-07T11:15:11.699-05:002009-11-07T11:15:11.699-05:00Thomas,
When did I say I was an atheist?
I'm...Thomas,<br /><br />When did I say I was an atheist?<br /><br />I'm not. I am an agnostic. I'd even venture to say that I am a Christian Agnostic. I don't know if there is a god but I kind of like the mythical accounts of Christ in the bible and don't subscribe to a Pauline theology to enjoy those myths.<br /><br />I simply believe, based on my experience, that the type of Christianity John debunks is worth debunking because it is delusional.<br /><br />I am not a cosmologist, nor a biologist, nor an ethicist so, providing definitive answers to your questions would be pretentious on my part.<br /><br />I don't think any of those mysteries leads one to conclude that Evangelical Christianity is true.<br /><br />I'd take those questions to a cosmologist, biologist, or ethicist and could care less if they are Christian. In fact, if they did espouse Evangelical Christianity then I would doubt the answers they provided were based on evidence. I'd have to conclude they are rooted in ancient and fear-based superstition.<br /><br />Now, what is the positive worldview you profess which allows us definitive answers to the questions you pose? Are you an Evangelical Christian? If so, why has it taken so long for you to express this as your position? <br /><br />Thanks.<br /><br />Additionally, I still consider you a bully whose entire polemic is based on defensive and reactionary thinking. Yawn indeed.Chuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15657598456196932490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-37050393687051165672009-11-07T09:59:10.022-05:002009-11-07T09:59:10.022-05:00Thomas, just a forewarning. Since your profile is ...Thomas, just a forewarning. Since your profile is not made public your comments may not be published in the future.<br /><br />In any case, what you fail to realize is that the options are not just between your specific type of Christianity (which have many varied versions) and metaphysical naturalism (which is only one kind of atheism).<br /><br />No. There are a myriad number of religious and non-religious views.<br /><br />To me agnosticism and deism are much more worthy contenders than your specific type of Christianity (whatever that is). While I'm an agnostic atheist myself, I would be happy in simply saying I don't know what to affirm. You, however, claim to know. You are probably certain that what you believe is true. I, however, think a healthy measure of skepticism and doubt are called for given the paucity of evidence available to us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-22092504068872864352009-11-07T09:29:31.468-05:002009-11-07T09:29:31.468-05:00Chuck,
It shouldn’t be difficult to prove your po...Chuck,<br /><br />It shouldn’t be difficult to prove your position. Tell me how life came from non-life; how rationality came from non-rationality; and how morals could have evolved and have any meaning. Do this without begging the question. <br /><br />If atheism is airtight, this should be simple for you. Your name-calling may sway some who don’t realize that calling someone a “bully” isn’t actually an argument.<br /><br />Again, not surprising. I’m still yawning though. And still waiting for anyone to scratch the surface.Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14837666569271126382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-37185078829929799212009-11-07T09:01:10.781-05:002009-11-07T09:01:10.781-05:00Thomas,
What do you believe?
Can you show me how...Thomas,<br /><br />What do you believe?<br /><br />Can you show me how being an arrogant brutish bullying contrarian is equivalent to a positive worldview?<br /><br />Thanks.<br /><br />One does not need to prove the things you prove to hold to the fact that Christianity is a delusion. In fact, one could hold that all you say is true and still hold Christianity to be a delusion.<br /><br />Now, what do you believe? Can you prove it with a positive line of reasoning or, does your worldview operate only in a co-dependent and childish vacuum of reactive bullying?<br /><br />Christianity operates on faith which by its own theology is belief without evidence. Any reasonable person would make that line of reasoning nothing more than delusional thinking.Chuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15657598456196932490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-86000384291718001222009-11-07T08:50:34.090-05:002009-11-07T08:50:34.090-05:00Andre,
You said:
the burden is on YOU
Where did I...Andre,<br />You said:<br /><i>the burden is on YOU</i><br /><br />Where did I make a claim for any of those things you listed?<br /><br />Surely you must have good reasons to believe that life came from non-life and that logic evolved and that morality can be defined in any substantive way without begging the question. <br /><br />You and John do have reasons, right?<br /><br />Like I said, a giant yawn. Nothing of substance. But at least you're consistent.Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14837666569271126382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-12604915357838582032009-11-07T00:35:28.274-05:002009-11-07T00:35:28.274-05:00Kevin writes: "Hell? Going there is insane! B...Kevin writes: "Hell? Going there is insane! But that's what sin is!"<br /><br />According to the Bible, it's a "sin" to pick up sticks on the Sabbath. Do that, and you deserve to have your brains smashed out of your skull with rocks. (Check the book of Numbers)<br /><br />Somewhere, somehow ... isn't something telling us that we should have progressed beyond these infantile superstitions and cruel beliefs?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04361879638625626574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-41268724077569561512009-11-06T23:31:04.115-05:002009-11-06T23:31:04.115-05:00Thomas, the burden is on YOU to prove that serpent...Thomas, the burden is on YOU to prove that serpents talked, humans were created from dirt + magic, a boat carried all the species of animals during a global flood, virgin births, miracles, etc.<br /><br />You prove your case.NightFlighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04353837222817533315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-8003926762243071512009-11-06T20:39:51.750-05:002009-11-06T20:39:51.750-05:00John,
If you could explain how something came fro...John,<br /><br />If you could explain how something came from nothing and how life came from non-life, I may consider atheism. Oh, and also explain how you could define anything as good or bad without being subjective and begging the question.<br /><br />Finally, demonstrate how logic could have evolved without being arbitrary and subjective. Essentially provide an atheist epistemology.<br /><br />Let me know what you've got on that if you have the time. Otherwise, your post is just a giant yawn for me and lacks substance.Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14837666569271126382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-7083611241188718732009-11-06T18:34:31.323-05:002009-11-06T18:34:31.323-05:00The only real delusion is naturalists trying to ac...The only real delusion is naturalists trying to account for their truth claims in a system where truth isn't supported by anything close to an adequate metaphysic.C.T. Gillilandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08935793297525355750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-20307212675711412982009-11-06T10:02:51.007-05:002009-11-06T10:02:51.007-05:00>>funny, did you level that same criticism t...>>funny, did you level that same criticism to Loftus? did you say 'if you say so,' to him? my post was supported just as much as his was. Loving those double standards Andre.<br /><br />Of course not. There was no need to.NightFlighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04353837222817533315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-65871337506926877612009-11-06T09:21:31.120-05:002009-11-06T09:21:31.120-05:00BTW Eric, have you looked at Joshua's blog rec...BTW Eric, have you looked at Joshua's blog recently where he said Dr. Craig is a snake oil salesman, dismisses your comment about me and dismisses my book as Josh McDowell's evidence books? Is he one arrogant son of a bitch or what?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-48755248934180307012009-11-06T08:29:49.884-05:002009-11-06T08:29:49.884-05:00Eric, no, in a post Freudian world we cannot attri...Eric, no, in a post Freudian world we cannot attribute immorality to ignorance. Because of our subconscious mind we are all driven by unconscious reasons. But on the surface, that is, the conscious level, the decision-making level, what I said is true. It's kinda like the fact that Newtonian physics is true on one level but false when we factor speed of travel into the equation, like Einstein showed us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-85321295438311948332009-11-06T07:30:09.451-05:002009-11-06T07:30:09.451-05:00This is why I like Buddhism, because all of this e...This is why I like Buddhism, because all of this eternal meaning/nonmeaning discussion is rejected. This life has meaning simply because it is. Does one need to look further? In fact, when one does look further one is not really dealing with things one can know. I gain meaning in my life because I understand how I am infinitely connected with all things, and that the life I live is finite. This is making me think <i>much</i> harder about how I live and how I treat others and my world. Ever since I left Christianity I've had immense hope because now I know that I'm in control of my life.<br /><br />Also I can stop assuming why it is that people do certain things or believe certain things, as opposed to resting on the idea that they're evil or god haters etc. This is a great relief.stamati anagnostouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08933207821787646512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-66520643028805440882009-11-06T00:32:29.291-05:002009-11-06T00:32:29.291-05:00If you say so.
funny, did you level that same crit...<b>If you say so.</b><br />funny, did you level that same criticism to Loftus? did you say 'if you say so,' to him? my post was supported just as much as his was. Loving those double standards Andre.Theological Discoursehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11215794691420472061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-78281620363591292542009-11-06T00:29:56.648-05:002009-11-06T00:29:56.648-05:00Deluded people also attack the character of the on...<b><br />Deluded people also attack the character of the one telling them that they are deluded as TD did, which again, is not an argument against anything I have said at all.<br /></b><br />No loftus, myself and others have dealt with more than enough of your hilariously ridiculous arguments at my blog. You on the other hand, ignore those arguments in favor of those character attacks you just whined about.Theological Discoursehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11215794691420472061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-62876624413499058952009-11-05T22:17:04.874-05:002009-11-05T22:17:04.874-05:00>>>Christian theology teaches that Adam p...>>>Christian theology teaches that Adam perfectly represented you and me. We all would do the same thing even in the fantastic beauty and circumstances of Eden.<br /><br />If that's the case then how can you conclude anything other than that humans were made flawed??NightFlighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04353837222817533315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-16213738848934387062009-11-05T22:13:46.520-05:002009-11-05T22:13:46.520-05:00>>>What have I learned from several years...>>>What have I learned from several years of your blogging? you're an ignorant pathetic half truth telling joke. This is beyond reasonable doubt, beyond serious doubt, beyond sane, informed, intelligent doubt. The evidence is overwhelming.<br /><br />If you say so.NightFlighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04353837222817533315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-38166292473318994852009-11-05T19:36:58.293-05:002009-11-05T19:36:58.293-05:00"...what we do flows from what we believe and..."...what we do flows from what we believe and that we cannot believe differently. So we do what we think is best at the moment, all of us, all of the time. In your life can you name me one wrong deed that you've done that you did not think it was the best deed to do under the circumstances at that time (even if on hindsight we all wish would wouldn't have done some things)? Of course you can't. The reason is because we only do that which we think is to our benefit at any given time. We may be short-sighted, but we're not evil."<br /><br />Hi John<br /><br />You seem to be endorsing a Socratic/early-Platonic view of morality here, i.e. one in which no one knowingly does evil, and thus in which immorality can be ultimately be reduced to ignorance. Is this accurate?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-2957357797279572152009-11-05T18:49:16.791-05:002009-11-05T18:49:16.791-05:00Chris you said,
"So are you saying you have ...Chris you said,<br /><br />"So are you saying you have proved Christianity is a delusion? Thats a pretty arrogant statement."<br /><br />The definition of delusion, "A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence."<br /><br />Christianity's defenders proved that it is a delusion. John doesn't have to.Chuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15657598456196932490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1423150962975732132009-11-05T18:24:42.161-05:002009-11-05T18:24:42.161-05:00Kevin H said... "There is absolutely nothing ...Kevin H said... "There is absolutely nothing positive about atheism. There is no hope, no "progress", no future. You are dead meat and it could happen in five minutes."<br /><br />This is a prime sample of some of the thoughtless selfish deluded thoughts of the dopey indoctrinated faithful.<br /><br />Kevin with such ease just simply totally forgets so many things while blurting all this crap out.Lots of facts dont even enter into the equation he uses.<br /><br />His mind doesnt even pause for even a "second" to bother to ponder situations like the johnstowns and doomsday cults etc that all revolve around biblical teachings also.Not a single thought for very many arguments and separations and shunnings etc in families worldwide,brought on by selfrighteousness of faith.<br />Not a care for many women being treated as objects to be owned dominated and controlled,due to indoctrination and fear of hell by god beliefs.No thought of a planet fast becoming over populated ,with idiot faithful folk often even encouraging and sometimes making it even a compulsery part of their faith by banning/shunning contraceptions.<br /><br />Kevin cares little thought even, for the sick children being refused blood transfusions or medical treatment today!,due to the deluded biblical beliefs of their parents!.<br />The young women being forced into polygamous situations simply through the russian roulette part of life of to whom they just happen to be born to,and the stupidity of mankinds faith beliefs that ends in some being married off and badly treated by old men of faith.<br /><br />All the many faithful Kevins of this world really only ever really think much about considdering themselves.<br /><br />As long as all the "Kevins" of this worlds salvations are all in place and "they" feel fine and dandy,who cares whats happening elsewhere to many others also because of humans mindless madness of having faith in God/s.<br /><br />For these faithful their own joy and happiness is really top dog.As long as their own selfrighteousness tickles their fancy,who cares!! if the same faith beliefs all the Kevins follow happen to also cause many others much grief. <br /><br />I suggest you are really the dead meat here Kevin,dead by your very faithful thoughtlessness.<br /><br />You and so many other faithful willingly wager with the (lives) of many on "this" earth by propagating belief in god/s,like does any old selfish gambler who lives only with cares for "himself" and his own blissful thoughts of hopefully winning some silly future jackpot.The gambler never ever considers the overall costs.<br /><br />I personally would far rather spend forever in any hell there be in any afterlife,than ever be in any place where i need to "again" spend another life with many judgmentle thoughtless selfish selfrighteous uncaring selfcentered indoctrinated zombies.<br /><br />Just the thought of another sentence of spending another life with these people,even cures me of even any thought of also buying into a lottery ticket of this supposed "heaven" prize.<br /><br />Just imagine what it might be like,to be again with folks all standing around singing how wonderful "they" were down here.Feeling so wonderfully pleased with themselves,because some others went to hell.<br /><br />And no Kevin please please, dont throw a bleat back at me about faith charity etc.<br /><br />Thats only really a argument for proving faithful folk only actually "buy" their way into heaven when doing charity,because it suggesting without the faith these folks likely would simply stop bothering with any charity.Proving what a face value type farcical deal, the bullshit idea of only ever careing through faith belief really is.<br /><br />Charity done without faith belief, is the very best test available for real honesty of charity and caring!.<br /><br />KH.."There is absolutely nothing positive about atheism. There is no hope, no "progress", no future"<br /><br />How much "hope" and "positive" "progress" should we realistically be expecting,when we first need to try our best to reprogram so many mindless faithful zombies?.Gandolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624178234332819107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-57589819704278576522009-11-05T17:38:59.041-05:002009-11-05T17:38:59.041-05:00John
So are you saying you have proved Christiani...John<br /><br />So are you saying you have proved Christianity is a delusion? Thats a pretty arrogant statement.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01825630853478631690noreply@blogger.com