tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post3288343386047188796..comments2023-12-01T18:05:24.875-05:00Comments on Debunking Christianity: Lessons From BowflexUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-46821632185938583582007-12-19T03:59:00.000-05:002007-12-19T03:59:00.000-05:00hey, i cant read through all the comments and repl...hey, i cant read through all the comments and replies, way to many, so im just gonna ask.<BR/><BR/>you were a minister, and you say that if your faith didnt falter you would still be preaching. so why did your faith falter?JohnnyGurlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08309715618119668321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-69498369581277279912007-08-27T14:04:00.000-04:002007-08-27T14:04:00.000-04:00I LOVE my Bowflex. Geez. I'm even buying a bigge...I LOVE my Bowflex. Geez. I'm even buying a bigger Bowflex now because I'm so darn powerful. Not nearly as powerful as the smell of crap around here though. Phew.<BR/><BR/>Religion sure is great for those who need it, but it sure is going to be forever in the face of those who don't. At least it gives them excuses to flex their vocabularies and "relevant" quotation skills.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07235119668684095553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-38700452076449328812007-07-12T09:14:00.000-04:002007-07-12T09:14:00.000-04:00I know this is a few months late, but I have to gi...I know this is a few months late, but I have to give my testimony in response to living_in_grace:<BR/><BR/><I>You can do all you want but you'll never find pleasure without God. </I> ...and all subsequent reiterations and expandations (hehe) of that idea.<BR/><BR/>Finding pleasure. Happiness. Simple enjoyment of life, family, things. That was a dream. Not much to ask. Certainly the promise of Christianity. Even if it couldn't deliver healing, or abundance, or keep more marriages together than among the heathen, we had the promise of joy through all the chaos everyone was experiencing. Right?<BR/><BR/>That was not my experience. After 20 years of being in the ministry, I lived in such chronic depression that I could enjoy nothing. Sadly my ever supportive, long-suffering and very pious parents could not enjoy anytime with me or my family, due to the depression, and they took it personally.<BR/><BR/>One day the depression magically disappeared. I had hope. Happiness. A future. And for the first time in years could enjoying hanging out and being normal to my parents. <BR/><BR/>That was the day I realized God/YHWH/Jehovah/Elohim/The Father does not exist (nor does his little son Jesus).<BR/><BR/>There is no anger or rage or rebellion associated with it. Just a profound sense of liberty. Like a man unchained. It isn't just being free to do what I want (no one can do that) it is free to do <I>anything</I> without guilt, or fear.<BR/><BR/>I know you cannot help but reject these notions and experiences, since they do not fit with what you have been told and what you believe you have experienced (one experiences what one is told they will experience, if they want to experience it, and if one doesn't experience it or experience it when they really really need it, there is an explanation - not enough faith, or not God's will). And you must agree that this experience of pleasure is the same for both of us. Mine from the recognition of a God who isn't there and yours from the belief in a God who is invisible, and exists in your experience only in the mental images, feelings and internal sounds created by the words and meanings passed down in a book. One billion Muslims prove that providing you with an alternate book and accompanying authoritative interpreters at the formative times in your life produces the same internal certainty of the Islamic god. I'm not saying that it would be very easy for you to be less certain and extend the possibility that another view and value system may be right, I just know what I know, and I find pleasure in that.Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17302686019255803953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-80957249251335004782007-07-12T09:12:00.000-04:002007-07-12T09:12:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17302686019255803953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-59761601350671179572007-05-04T16:34:00.000-04:002007-05-04T16:34:00.000-04:00Bring me you tired and weary laden, and I shall gi...Bring me you tired and weary laden, and I shall give you rest.<BR/><BR/>The point of Christianity is not for comforting, unlike other religions, but God is there to comfort us when we go through tough times.<BR/>Since we were just in Luke 10, I would like to bring up something else.<BR/><BR/>Then he turned to his disciples and said privately, "Blessed are the eyes that see what you see. 24For I tell you that many prophets and kings wanted to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it."<BR/><BR/>Even those who saw Jesus, his miracles, and his teachings still didn't believe him. I think for you nick, that there is almost nothing that could convince you that God exists.<BR/><BR/>Matthew 28:<BR/><BR/> 16Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."<BR/><BR/>John 14:<BR/><BR/>5Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?" <BR/> 6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know[b] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." <BR/>8Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us." <BR/><BR/> 15"If you love me, you will obey what I command. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[c] in you. 18I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him." <BR/><BR/>25"All this I have spoken while still with you. 26But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. 27Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid. <BR/><BR/>I hope these verses will help you nick. We are now the temples for God's glory, his holy spirit is within us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-47365563753507074942007-05-04T09:08:00.000-04:002007-05-04T09:08:00.000-04:00live-n-grace said:Well it must be some "imaginary ...live-n-grace said:<BR/><BR/><I>Well it must be some "imaginary friend" to change lives...</I><BR/><BR/>That's evidence that religion can function as a support mechanism for people with problems (although usually it's trading one addiction for another,) or as a comforting philosophy. Its not evidence that a god exists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-18257783579219684702007-05-03T22:13:00.000-04:002007-05-03T22:13:00.000-04:00Live-n-grace,You're agreeing with Prup here **. Th...Live-n-grace,<BR/><BR/>You're agreeing with Prup here **. The parable had nothing to do with believing rightly, but rather acting rightly.** What Prup is trying to say is that the parable calls into question the justification by faith/grace alone, which leads into one can only be saved if one has the right beliefs -- as in, justification in grace/faith alone. However, in the parable, those who had the right belief did nothing, while the heretic was the good neighbor. Jesus praised the one who acted rightly, even though the Samaratain had the wrong beliefs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-92169432132356095052007-05-03T18:31:00.000-04:002007-05-03T18:31:00.000-04:00Well it must be some "imaginary friend" to change ...Well it must be some "imaginary friend" to change lives 360, and so real that I have no doubt, not one, that he is real. To feel true love, true forgiveness, tere is nothing like it.<BR/><BR/>Please Prup, he asked Jesus who is my neighbor, and Jesus told a parable. At the end, Jesus asked him who was the neighbor. The man replied,the one who had mercy. Jesus then says go and do likewise.<BR/><BR/>The whole point of the parable is to have mercy on those around you not mattering who. It wouldn't matter to me if instead of samaritan Jesus said a Pakistani Muslim. The parable had nothing to do with believing rightly, but rather acting rightly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-21233157486973939602007-05-03T09:34:00.000-04:002007-05-03T09:34:00.000-04:00live-n-grace saidEvery waking hour is evidence, ev...live-n-grace said<BR/><BR/><I>Every waking hour is evidence, every breath is evidence, every time I talk with God is evidence, every time I ask for forgiveness is evidence.</I><BR/><BR/>live-n-grace, that's just evidence that you have a strong belief in an imaginary friend. Its not evidence that your imaginary friend actually exists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-85890781232465254562007-05-03T05:42:00.000-04:002007-05-03T05:42:00.000-04:00I have to agree with Prup here, you know, actions ...I have to agree with Prup here, you know, actions speak louder than words. Belief does nothiing for you unless you act upon those beliefs. To believe we should be a good neighbor is usless unless we are a good neighbor. And to be sure this is the biggest problem for those who don't believe, is that those who do don't pratice what we preach.Richhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05816549810869986623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-78782321627657086982007-05-03T02:21:00.000-04:002007-05-03T02:21:00.000-04:00Joe said:"he remained in captivity until the day o...Joe said:<BR/><BR/>"he remained in captivity until the day of his death (so he couldn't have died in peace)"<BR/><BR/>I say:<BR/><BR/>It seems to me that if you're captured, and you die in captivity, at the very least it means that you didn't die in battle. Did you die in peace? You say no, I say I don't know. What's the reference on the prophecy about him, by the way?<BR/><BR/>It seems to me that we don't know either when he died or how he died. Was he executed, or did he die of natural causes? He was 32 when he was captured - How long was he in captivity before he reached 'the day of his death'? Was it a decade or six days? Do you know? Does it say anywhere? "until the day of his death" suggests old age to me - But I guess it doesn't say so explicitly.<BR/><BR/>I just think there's not enough information to say for sure that he didn't die in peace. If you've got a really good source that says exactly how he did die, I'd like to see it. Anyway, I feel like I should strongly stress the following:<BR/><BR/>God does not trade worldly prosperity for moral uprightness. The belief that He does so is not Christian, even if lots of people who think they're Christians think so.<BR/><BR/>I'm not asking you atheists to try to figure out which of us who call ourselves Christians really are Christians: I want to ask those of you who are Christians, or those of you who don't know, to find out what Jesus meant when He told us to take up our crosses and follow Him.<BR/><BR/>If we act like we can get worldly prosperity or cures to social problems from God by means of our moral uprightness, then it's <I>right</I> for people to denounce us - We're being Pharisees and hypocrites.Logismous Kathairounteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05146359028263232218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-65278679610161037632007-05-03T00:40:00.000-04:002007-05-03T00:40:00.000-04:00No, live-in-grace, reread the story. The question...No, live-in-grace, reread the story. The questioner asked 'who is my neighbor?' Jesus told the parable which showed that the 'true neighbor' was not trhe one who 'believed rightly' but the one who 'acted properly' that is, the one who had mercy. <B>THAT</B> was the one Jesus said should be loved, that the man's beliefs did not matter, what mattered were his actions.Prup (aka Jim Benton)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08376467128665482055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-42635436296119729472007-05-02T19:32:00.000-04:002007-05-02T19:32:00.000-04:00Prup, sorry to be cruel, but you got it all wrong,...Prup, sorry to be cruel, but you got it all wrong, and also how do you know I don't know who the Samaritans were?<BR/><BR/>He asked who is my neighbor! Jesus gave an example of a Samaritan, one of the worst in Jews' eyes, and a half dead man. It doesn't matter who your neighbor is or what he does, but love him and have mercy on him! This was the point. I can't believe you have stooped so low and so far to just try and find wrongs in the bible. It also didn't have anything to do with believing.<BR/><BR/>Just a liberal slam :) : If one of the democratics running for president became president, and Iran had a nuke and either threatened or did nuke Isreal, he would not attack or retaliate until the polls said he could. So many are like thin cardboard which blow this way and that to try and please everyone, and will not stand up for everything. (Sorry, just had to get a jab in. By the way, many republican leaders are just as bad.)<BR/><BR/>Nick: Every waking hour is evidence, every breath is evidence, every time I talk with God is evidence, every time I ask for forgiveness is evidence.<BR/>But you also have to remember that it is by faith, not by sight or by research, that I believe.<BR/><BR/>"I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen. Not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-37791892458851815742007-05-02T09:03:00.000-04:002007-05-02T09:03:00.000-04:00live-n-grace:You don't have any evidence, if you d...live-n-grace:<BR/><BR/>You don't have any evidence, if you did you would have mentioned it. Notice I said evidence to SUPPORT Christianity. If I say I believe in something unprovable, like aliens living in the Andromeda galaxy, and you can't prove I'm wrong, does that make it true? Debating the meaning of Bible verses is all well and good, but if there isn't any evidence to corroborate the Bible, then it makes no sense to assume its true.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-63757740383432952112007-05-01T23:18:00.000-04:002007-05-01T23:18:00.000-04:00Live-n-grace:Like most people who discuss it, you ...Live-n-grace:<BR/>Like most people who discuss it, you misunderstand the parable of the Good Samaritan, because you don't know who the Samaritans were, or how they were viewed by the Jews who were Jesus' audience.<BR/><BR/>The Samaritans were heretics from Judaism, who had a different temple, and different rites, and, by some accounts were so Hellenized that they had rededicated their temple to a greek God. Read John 4:9 to get an idea of how they were viewed. (It is, in fact, almost impoissible to get a picture of the repulsion they inspired in 'good Jews.' The closest analogy I can come up with is for you to imagine that Jesus was preaching on the streets of New York in November 2001 and one, and instead of the term "Samaritan" he talked about a Pakistani Muslim as the one who acted properly. Not that the Samaritans had ever attacked the Jews, but the hatred is the same.)<BR/><BR/>So what Jesus was saying was that the 'true neighbor' was not the one who 'believed correctly' but the one who 'acted properly.' This alone makes the doctrine of 'justification by faith' possibly Pauline but not an accurate representation of what Jesus actually taught.<BR/><BR/>As for the Pharisees, you might learn more about them than you will find in the Gospels. They were very close to today's Constitutional liberals -- a group I am proud to be part of. Maybe better the liberals of the New Deal and the Warren Court.<BR/><BR/>In both cases they were strong believers in The Law, but they also realized a document from the past had to be venerated, but also had to be reinterpreted in the light of changing circumstances. This is why the idea that they were in some way violently opposed to Jesus seems to me to be likely to be a myth. His positions were not theirs, certainly, but they were not extremely radical, certainly nothing like the Essenes, or the ultra-Conservative Sadducees. (Perhaps the only thing he is quoted as saying in his sermons that would have horrified them was in fact the story of the Good Samaritain.)Prup (aka Jim Benton)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08376467128665482055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-56187975076329024782007-05-01T22:29:00.000-04:002007-05-01T22:29:00.000-04:00Well, if there is one lesson to be learned from al...Well, if there is one lesson to be learned from all of this, it is that you should not spend a whole lotta money on a gym membership or exercise equipment in the home unless you can commit to exercising without equipment for at least a month on a consistent basis. By that, I mean doing push-ups, sit-ups, callisthenics, light jogging and so forth.<BR/><BR/>A lot of people make the mistake of thinking that if they spend the money on the gym membership or the equipment that it will serve to motivate them to get into ship. In most cases, it does not.Tommykeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14751182125861177379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-37913282659250438212007-05-01T21:03:00.000-04:002007-05-01T21:03:00.000-04:00Logismous Kathairountes said..."We shouldn't root ...Logismous Kathairountes said...<BR/><BR/>"We shouldn't root for him when he makes factually inaccurate claims about the Old Testament, effectively calling God a liar. Call him on that. The promise to Josiah was that he wouldn't live to see the fall of Judah - Which he didn't, it happened during the reign of his son - And we aren't given any information at all about how Zedekiah died. He probably died of old age, in captivity."<BR/><BR/><BR/>My reply...<BR/><BR/>OK, now this is worth replying to! The intellectual dishonesty in this segment of the post alone surpasses every other comment mentioned here from the believer's camp, even the absurdity of Live-n-graces' sentiments.<BR/><BR/>First, a casual reading of the verses I cited show that God promised deaths "in peace." Yes, Josiah was spared from seeing the fall of Judah, but words say what they say. <BR/><BR/>2 Kings 22:20: "Behold therefore, I will gather thee unto thy fathers, and thou shalt be gathered into thy grave in peace; and thine eyes shall not see all the evil which I will bring upon this place. And they brought the king word again."<BR/><BR/>If what you say is true, and this only referred to the fall of Judah, why not leave out the first segment of the verse? I have no doubt that these words were recorded from the standpoint of not knowing Josiah's ultimate fate. So if I am to be expected to read these verses with any sort of accountability, I must find a problem here; maybe Josiah didn't die in the throws of Judah's fall, but he died at war = the opposite of peace. <BR/><BR/>But in the spirit of generosity, I can grant this one explained away for the sake of argument.<BR/><BR/>The more agregious absurdity you mention is in saying that Zedekiah probably died an old man in captivity in peace! This has to be one of the most desparate explanations I've ever heard; (a) he died in the clutches of a ravaging enemy power, (b) his sons were slain before him, and (c) he was blinded. (d) he remained in captivity until the day of his death (so he couldn't have died in peace)...<BR/><BR/><B>Jer 52:11: "Then he put out the eyes of Zedekiah; and the king of Babylon bound him in chains, and carried him to Babylon, and put him in prison till the day of his death."</B><BR/><BR/>Your only out here is to play this as an opposite of the Jonah-story, where God promised these men peaceful deaths, but because they later sinned in some way, he changed his mind (the opposite of what God did for Nineveh)! That's the best you can do!<BR/><BR/>(JH)Joe E. Holmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10273702675019012966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-14751770903812655192007-05-01T18:31:00.000-04:002007-05-01T18:31:00.000-04:00Prup:I looked through what you enjoyed, and it's p...Prup:<BR/><BR/>I looked through what you enjoyed, and it's pretty near to myself. (Except for the God part, we are different on that.) None of those are sins, unless you center you're entire life on it, and you're whole purpose of life is on it. Christianity isn't about judgement and taking away, but rather freedom and giving. I'm no longer in chains from sin, I am not bound to it.<BR/><BR/>You were correct, that humans don't come directly from monkeys in evolution, but you get the gist I was getting at. I don't think I came from any bug, fish, mammal, bird, or monkeys.<BR/><BR/>Yes, Jesus said he was God, he said that "I and the father are one". He also came to show that the least will be the greatest and that possesions, words, and deeds would not give us salvation. Unlike the pharisees, who were hypocrites, and wouldn't even let Jesus heal a man because it was on the sabbath! But you must know, that only the Father knows when the end will be. Jesus doesn't know when it will be, but he only knows of the signs. (By the way, are you talking about the Good Samaritan parable, because I don't know what you are talking about. The whole point of the story was making oneself less in the help of others. Considering Jewish society and that taught by the Pharisees, this was true. I don't know what you mean by how he didn't have "faith" and the "believers did".)<BR/>I think the better idea is of those who touched Jesus' cloak and by faith were healed, because they believed they would be healed.<BR/><BR/>I must argue deeply that men did not create christianity. The best way to prove this is to see the differences between Islam and Christianity.<BR/><BR/>Also TrueChristian, I think George Bush is a good president and it was right to go into Iraq, but I wouldn't say that he should "bomb the hell out of Iraq" or kill all Iraqis. That really isn't a Christian view, I think you should read Romans 12, and on loving your enemy.<BR/><BR/>Tone: God created everything perfectly, and man by our own sin and free will, have screwed things up.<BR/><BR/>Nick: I don't see any evidence to not believe in a loving, merciful, and graceful God. You are right, religion will not make the world a better place, and that is why Christianity is different. It is not a religion, it is not about making a "Christian State" or a "Christian World" because it isn't about here and now, but about the future. Does that mean we don't try to make the world a better place? By no means! I don't want to see people fall into sin, and to be lost, but rather to have life, and eternal life at that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-44551255384673032642007-05-01T17:00:00.000-04:002007-05-01T17:00:00.000-04:00For the record, I consider Joe a good friend. He's...For the record, I consider Joe a good friend. He's the resident "Bad Boy" here at DC and I like what he writes. There are so many Christian sites that blast us that he is <B>tame</B> by comparison. He's a great writer, and he can fend for himself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-34596655749637265982007-05-01T15:43:00.000-04:002007-05-01T15:43:00.000-04:00Joe, good post. Complaints about "angry atheists" ...Joe, good post. Complaints about "angry atheists" are attempts to make the discussion about tone rather than substance. The bottom line is there just isn't any evidence to support Christianity. Religion won't solve the world's problems because believing in fantasy IS one of the world's problems, and as one of the above comments demonstrates, Christians don't have to make the world better, since to them it is just a temporary, disposable place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1715664127157820652007-05-01T10:28:00.000-04:002007-05-01T10:28:00.000-04:00I think (and desperately hope) that TRUECHRISTIAN ...I think (and desperately hope) that TRUECHRISTIAN is either a badly done satire or a troll. Whichever, I hope he is ignored, since if he is sincere he adds nothing to the debate, if satire, its insulting to the Christians here, and troll-feeding is always a waste of time.<BR/><BR/>In short, TC, go away!Prup (aka Jim Benton)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08376467128665482055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-36149164411667559362007-05-01T10:00:00.000-04:002007-05-01T10:00:00.000-04:00De lurking...live-in-grace:You said: Or, God crea...De lurking...<BR/><BR/>live-in-grace:<BR/><BR/>You said: Or, God created the heavens and the earth. Perfectly. From the tiniest atom and organelle in a cell, to the vastness of the universe, all perfect.<BR/><BR/>Perfect... perfect... Seriously. What the hell is so perfect about dwarfism, cancer, diabetes? Um, ok. WTF ever. <BR/><BR/>Truecristian: I thought every life was sacred... Or was that sperm?Tonihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02025641502091297360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-9478139675986486732007-05-01T08:09:00.000-04:002007-05-01T08:09:00.000-04:00don't see what George Bush has done wrong, he's de...don't see what George Bush has done wrong, he's destroying a bunch of people who shouldn't be in the 1st place. I say the Iraqis are just here to take up space on this planet. They're not doing anything to benifit us. George Bush is doing a great job where he is. I hope he sends a nuke to Iraq and just wipe that country out of the map. The only thing the Iraqis know how to do is terrorize countries, they're all terrorists.Ok, I'm going to say it, I think George Bush is good. He's one of the greatest president ever.. Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! he attack Iraq and many Iraqis died.. so what? I hope he bombs Iraq again, I seriously don't give a crap if the Iraqis die, I hope bush kills them all, bomb the hell out of Iraq. serioulsy I think the Iraqis are nothing but terrorist and George Bush is doing the world a favour by bombing them and killing them. they just like to bomb the hell out of each other, so the Americans attacking Iraq doesn't really make that much of a difference, they're just speeding up the process. So I solute George BushAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-57626605537966532442007-05-01T03:12:00.000-04:002007-05-01T03:12:00.000-04:00OneWave:It's on its way.Logismous: Welcome. We a...OneWave:<BR/>It's on its way.<BR/><BR/>Logismous: Welcome. We are going to have fun. I will enjoy you attempting to 'call me' on some of my own claims on the OT (and the New). Because I am not calling God -- who doesn't exist -- a liar, but arguing that men wrote their own ideas and put them in the mouth of God.Prup (aka Jim Benton)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08376467128665482055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-86774156170963650752007-05-01T01:42:00.000-04:002007-05-01T01:42:00.000-04:00OK, Prup, I need that recipe:o)Logismous, do I kno...OK, Prup, I need that recipe:o)<BR/><BR/>Logismous, do I know you? You have a familiar voice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com