tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post3110908242464188880..comments2023-12-01T18:05:24.875-05:00Comments on Debunking Christianity: Judaism, Christianity and Islam are built on a faulty premiseUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-55701785087997806292007-04-16T22:42:00.000-04:002007-04-16T22:42:00.000-04:00The advocation of slavery is something built upon ...The advocation of slavery is something built upon the action of the master, not of the slave. Jesus's teachings address the slave, not the master. In order to argue that Jesus made an exhortation to SLAVES that advocated slavery, you'd have to produce evidence that he said "sell yourselves as slaves" or somesuch. A very poor argument.<BR/><BR/>And yes, there were many writers and even redactors of what we call the original text, but you know what? The amazing thing is not the inconsistency but the coherence of scripture.<BR/><BR/>Try reading the story of Utnapishtim within the Epic of Gilgamesh, etc. juxtaposed to the first seven chapters of Genesis. See the difference between a God who creates (by speech!) and blesses from a god that creates man <I>solely</I> to work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-29967959016049798442007-04-16T22:36:00.000-04:002007-04-16T22:36:00.000-04:00You think the trinity came from 4th century onward...You think the trinity came from 4th century onward?<BR/><BR/>Why, then, do the angels in the Apocalypse sing to the Lamb as well as to Pantokrator???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-72987621692231505722007-04-02T23:01:00.000-04:002007-04-02T23:01:00.000-04:00Hi anon 1209,I can't comprehend the trinity either...Hi anon 1209,<BR/>I can't comprehend the trinity either. It was a construct to explain away the inconsistencies. If you do some research on the first four hundred years or so of the christian church you will see some harsh infighting over the trinity and christology, resulting in charges of heresy between christians.<BR/>If some of them didn't buy it in a time closer to christ than I am, is it any wonder that 1970 years later other people don't either?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17353286859864448748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-51419500379496880972007-04-02T18:08:00.000-04:002007-04-02T18:08:00.000-04:00To Prup, I don't know about you, but if I was writ...To Prup, I don't know about you, but if I was writing to a Greek church, I would write in Greek.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-85242813456732846322007-04-02T00:10:00.000-04:002007-04-02T00:10:00.000-04:00Hi anonymous 120pm,this is off topic, butI just th...Hi anonymous 120pm,<BR/>this is off topic, but<BR/>I just thought of something,<BR/>a couple of Jesus prophecies that either didn't come true or kinda came true is the prophecy that he would return before all his disciples died (he didn't), and 'the sign of jonah'. Please correct me if I am wrong, two nights and one day are not three days like jonahs three days, and in any case, it was at least 24 hours short of three days.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17353286859864448748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-54061159198416313332007-04-02T00:09:00.000-04:002007-04-02T00:09:00.000-04:00No, no man would or could make Christianity. Who ...No, no man would or could make Christianity. Who would think of the trinity, my mind can barely comprehend it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-28385961158440796912007-04-02T00:00:00.000-04:002007-04-02T00:00:00.000-04:00Hi anonymous 120pm,do you agree that the Christian...Hi anonymous 120pm,<BR/>do you agree that the Christianity is built on a faulty premise? If not, where is the fault in my argument?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17353286859864448748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-3560721877783059222007-03-30T13:20:00.000-04:002007-03-30T13:20:00.000-04:00Wow, please read the bible before coming to opinio...Wow, please read the bible before coming to opinions that what you believe is 100% correct. Jesus said himself that no one will no the day and time when he will return which foolishly Darby tried to do, and check Colossians to read on the rapture. All the beleivers in Christ will be: "caught in the sky"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-79481362191164487382007-03-30T09:24:00.000-04:002007-03-30T09:24:00.000-04:00Interesting thing, everything the bible has predic...<I>Interesting thing, everything the bible has predicted has come true.</I><BR/><BR/>Ezekiel 26:14<BR/><BR/>"I will make you (the city of Tyre) a bare rock, and you will become a place to spread fishnets. <B>You will never be rebuilt</B>, for I the LORD have spoken, declares the Sovereign LORD."<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://polosbastards.com/pb/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/Tyre6.jpg" REL="nofollow">The ancient ruins of Tyre, standing next to the modern rebuilt city of Tyre</A><BR/><BR/>And the LORD spaketh, and he said "Who you gonna believe, me or your lyin' eyes?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-82501709408179071492007-03-30T09:08:00.000-04:002007-03-30T09:08:00.000-04:00Oh my, how familiar the arguments are. Oh well, i...Oh my, how familiar the arguments are. Oh well, it is Spring Training time, guess I can use some batting practice.<BR/><BR/>I almost wish I could arrange an automatic response to one argument, the 'argument from design.'<BR/>It's simple, "even if this argument makes sense and demonstrates A creator, how do you use it to demonstrate that this Creator is the same as YOUR nominee for the post."<BR/><BR/>The trouble with the argument, and with every religious system except Mormonism -- which makes the same mistake with less excuse -- is that it implies a geocentric 'small Universe' viewpoint. If the Universe is Earth and a few surrounding spheres, then it makes a certain amount of sense to argue that 'Man is the reason for creation.' <BR/>But the Universe is a 'billion galaxies of a billion stars.' There are, almost certainly, many other sentient creatures out there on other planets.<BR/>Earth is not the center of the Universe, and we have no reasonable argument that a God would create this entire Cosmos just -- as every religion asserts -- to give a home for Man. One Galaxy, maybe, barely, but a billion of them, no.<BR/><BR/>As for the unchangeable Bible, this is an argument, perhaps, for the Qur'an, which has remained substantially the same for almost a millenia and a half, as far as we know. We have at least the text in the original language. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THIS FOR THE BIBLE! We have late manuscript copies with many variances. (And how reasonable is it -- if we accept the 'traditional eyewitness' account of the authorship that these floowers of Jesus were bilingual enough to be fluent in Greek that they could have written in this language OR that the first readers of the books would have been able to read them if they had. Would Paul have written letters in Greek to the Churches, or would he have written in the languages the people actually spoke. Hebrew, that I could accept, or Latin, but not in Greek.<BR/><BR/>And of course most people here have never read the 'originals' and don't have the language skills to -- and certainly I don't. They depend on translations into English. Ther really act like the old joke is true, "If the King James Version was good enough for Paul, it's good enough for me."<BR/><BR/>For Mr. Anonymous -- and can't you just use a name of some sort. Click on the 'other' choice and insert anything --: You say "everything the bible has predicted has come true. However there are things that have not come true" HUH? Giving you the most extreme 'benefit of the doubt' what you may have been trying to say is that 'no prediction has proven false even though some have not yet come true." We could argue that, but I'll ask, instead, why, had he actually written/inspired the book, this "God-claimant" DIDN'T predict, simply and unambiguously, a few things that WOULD come true. That the world was round, that there was a continent as yet undiscovered that would be filled with people, that men would create machines that flew, or that traveled along the ground faster than the fastest animal, that a technique would be discovered for capturing and copying the written word (printing).<BR/>(And, btw, Mr. A, you list the rapture as something predicted by the Bible. Yet it took 1800 years before an Irish Protestant preacher named Darby found this idea there -- and most Christians still don't accept it. Will you demonstrate where the Bible DOES predict it, and why, if it is predicted, it is done so so obscurely. If you can demonstrate this came from the original Greek and not from a translation, that would score extra points as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-31459932201712541862007-03-29T14:00:00.000-04:002007-03-29T14:00:00.000-04:00Interesting thing, everything the bible has predic...Interesting thing, everything the bible has predicted has come true. However there are things that have not come true, and those are yet to come such as the rapture and the tribulation. Hopefully those things come soon so that those on here can believe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-83512013471640401482007-03-27T08:03:00.000-04:002007-03-27T08:03:00.000-04:00Hi Randy, Confirmation of the truth of God and ...Hi Randy,<BR/><BR/> <I>Confirmation of the truth of God and knowledge of who God is comes from at least(besides the Bible):</I><BR/> Randy, you wouldn't have clue what god was if it wasn't for scripture. If you grew up a Hindu, you'd say the same thing about brahma, vishnu and Shiva only from an Indian perspective.<BR/><BR/><BR/> <I>1. Overwhelming masses of humans believe they have perceived God.</I><BR/><BR/> How have they perceived god? Through the five senses or some other way i'm not considering? How much is overwhelming and does that include non-christians?<BR/><BR/><BR/> <I>2. The complexity, beauty, awesomeness, grandeur, scope, etc., of creation speaks of some kind of mind greater than ours</I><BR/> That is one way to look at it. Other people look at relationships between objects and see how they work together and have made a lot of progress in making predictions that have been true and added value to civilization, Medicine comes to mind, so does civil engineering as well as things like GPS, the computer you are using and such. The complexity, beauty, awesomeness, grandeur, scope etc of that mind speaks of some kind of mind greater than it. But who created that mind?<BR/><BR/> <I>3. Billions of folks have tested their faith daily, and have found it to be satisfactory enough to continue with that faith. Some haven't, but most do.</I><BR/> Billions of muslims, buddhists, jews, hindus, non-believers have tested their faith daily, and have found it to be satisfactory enough to continue with that fatih. some haven't but most do. Well, that explains it.<BR/><BR/> <I>4. The Bible is unchanging for at least 2000 years, and can be used as a standard against which to test its approaches. No other system offers such a standard.</I><BR/><BR/> So the bible can be used to test its approaches, that is what I would expect. But the other religions can say the same thing about their scripture. Can you elaborate on this some more, I don't think I get your point. Most of the laws found in the bible can be found in other disparate cultures because they were a result of humans figuring out how to solve human problems.<BR/><BR/><BR/> <I>5. God has shown himself in many, many ways. Those ways don't satisfy everyone. It is likely that no way that God could reveal Himself would satisfy everyone.</I><BR/><BR/> How has he shown himself? Through creation? That is, at the very least an open question, and I am sure that it wasn't the god or gods of the bible, tanakh, quran, upanishads etc that created everything because scripture is oral tradition, and oral tradition by definition is folklore. Look it up. <BR/><BR/><BR/> <I>6. There is no other explanation even conceivable (at least so far) as to the consistency of the rules of nature.</I><BR/><BR/> Physicists conceive it every day. In fact they work with it. They slam particles together, slow down light to 20kph and make a copy of it that can be stored etc. They understand it well enough to do all that and it makes sense to them (and me) that it is all self sustaining. If you want to say that god is the reason it all works, more power to you, but I will counter it by saying that it is Brahma and you can't possibly refute it for the same reasons you can't refute physics. You don't have any evidence except for the bible and the bible was created out of folklore of the canaanites, then the israelites, then the jews and then it seems to have gotten hijacked by pagans.<BR/><BR/><BR/> <I>If you need more such evidence, visit http://Godvsnogod.blogspot.com.</I><BR/><BR/> You haven't given anything substantive here, so the last thing I want to do is go somewhere else when I can get it here without moving.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17353286859864448748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-21000977160625169782007-03-27T05:56:00.000-04:002007-03-27T05:56:00.000-04:00#1. So the truth of reality is now dictated by con...#1. So the truth of reality is now dictated by concensus? I guess American/Pop Idol <EM>is</EM> one of the best TV shows ever, then.<BR/><BR/>#2. Sunsets and rainbows: is that the best that an omnipotent god could do?<BR/><BR/>#3. Again, truth by consensus. If people are satisfied with a belief that the status quo is AOK, this doesn't prove the existence of gods.<BR/><BR/>#4. Please. Read something, anything, about the historic and deliberate construction of the bible.<BR/><BR/>#5. Here's an idea: how about the god willing itself into being, as a 10 mile tall giant amongst the people, thousands or millions of times simultaniously to all in the world? Is this beyond the ken, will or ability of the god? I'd be convinced, probably.<BR/><BR/>#6. Just because an explanation, no matter how vague, has been posited doesn't automatically imbue it with truth. Besides, "a magic man done it" is by no means the only explanation available, and it doesn't even begin to explain anything anyway.nullifidianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17525511015814128503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-80024810569936862982007-03-27T01:23:00.000-04:002007-03-27T01:23:00.000-04:00Ranndy:Your point 1 was used in the Soviet Union t...Ranndy:<BR/><BR/>Your point 1 was used in the Soviet Union to destroy thousands if not millions of people, and it is also often that society at first (popular opinion) is false (evolution, racism, WW1, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, Upton Sinclair, among many others), and only disproven by a brave minority.<BR/><BR/>Point #2 is simple-minded, points merely to aesthetics and based upon no evidence. Animal behavior -> Natural Selection. I see no micromanager.<BR/><BR/>#3: Tested their faith? Honestly? Let us weigh God's "hits" and "misses." It only works because the Huxleyan masses wish it to work, in the same way as John Edwards' Crossing Over show. Michael Shermer's Why Do People Believe Weird Things? Chapter 1. Pat Robertson may say anything, and they will believe it.<BR/><BR/>#4: The Bible is unchanged because it is a book of literature and is not worthy of changing. However, it is widely known where the Bible came from and it is not at all a reliable historical document. See the History Channel. Did you know that more than half of all currently found biblical documents are MISSING from the Bible, such as the Gnostic texts?<BR/><BR/>#5 That gets into the PoE. God has not shown himself, except in hallucintions and dreams, which, any psychoanalysist will tell you, are hardly ever literal, and are often subjective (your own interpretation, not independent from your current ideology).<BR/><BR/>#6 "God Did It!" seems less concievable even compared to the most questionable ideas among the scientific community. As Richard Dawkins points out, the Multiverse argument sounds exponentially more plausible than believing in an omnipowerful invisible man.MiSaNtHrOpEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05442797823821862195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-5655601516370717352007-03-26T23:58:00.000-04:002007-03-26T23:58:00.000-04:00Confirmation of the truth of God and knowledge of ...Confirmation of the truth of God and knowledge of who God is comes from at least(besides the Bible):<BR/><BR/>1. Overwhelming masses of humans believe they have perceived God.<BR/>2. The complexity, beauty, awesomeness, grandeur, scope, etc., of creation speaks of some kind of mind greater than ours<BR/>3. Billions of folks have tested their faith daily, and have found it to be satisfactory enough to continue with that faith. Some haven't, but most do.<BR/>4. The Bible is unchanging for at least 2000 years, and can be used as a standard against which to test its approaches. No other system offers such a standard.<BR/>5. God has shown himself in many, many ways. Those ways don't satisfy everyone. It is likely that no way that God could reveal Himself would satisfy everyone.<BR/>6. There is no other explanation even conceivable (at least so far) as to the consistency of the rules of nature.<BR/>If you need more such evidence, visit http://Godvsnogod.blogspot.comRandy Kirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07187149342560881341noreply@blogger.com