tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post291554161070613816..comments2023-12-01T18:05:24.875-05:00Comments on Debunking Christianity: Do I Prefer to Live in a Godless Universe?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-37427445525958914462010-06-21T02:58:17.796-04:002010-06-21T02:58:17.796-04:00Divinity doesn't stand a chance against those ...Divinity doesn't stand a chance against those who default and plead to probability.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-90302919571638741292010-06-20T17:18:07.892-04:002010-06-20T17:18:07.892-04:00Chuck,
it is still an imperfect language developed...Chuck,<br />it is still an imperfect language developed by humans who are learning. Imperfections, inexactisms and equivocations, etc are still going to exist until God gives us the Holy perfect language that we will speak some day in heaven for all of eternity.<br /><br />First God is dealing with corruption in this temporary creation and learning/spanking/consequences of the byproduct of choices, etc.<br /><br />God isn't going to have this mess in heaven. Question everything.Breckminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16059206540177008895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-78334267321465549912010-06-20T17:05:49.892-04:002010-06-20T17:05:49.892-04:00Why are we supposed to seek a creator? We cannot s...Why are we supposed to seek a creator? We cannot search the entire universe for a creator when we are earth bound."<br /><br />This doesn't mean "look for an Infinite Personal/Spiritual/Conscious Existence /Creator (clearly imperfect with respect to the Living God) who you can NOT "see" physically because He is Infinite.<br /><br />What we are referring to is seeking God's Truth.... and seeking Him in a personal way as to experience a relationship with Him. That can only come through Jesus Christ (the Man that God became).<br /><br />Seeking to be restored to a relationship with God because you "realize" (come to your senses) that you have objective guilt of His Law and that He is a Holy God is just one aspect of salvation.<br /><br />If you over-simplify and isolate connected premises...then you are questioning without wisdom. It is only through questioning that you will begin to see how you are processing information incorrectly (clearly an imperfect statement since I used "only" which doesn't address concepts like conviction and humility).Breckminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16059206540177008895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-52042633896413077562010-06-20T14:48:55.257-04:002010-06-20T14:48:55.257-04:00Not private, but when all except the one to whom t...Not private, but when all except the one to whom the question is addressed feel the need to interfere, it's getting tiresome..<br /><br /><br /><i>You need to modify your claim.</i><br /><br /><br />All the two billion Christians, except your 400,000 "Christian Scientists" -- better? :-\The Blogger Formerly Known As Lvkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09663692507774640889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-90335626848864242972010-06-20T14:44:06.443-04:002010-06-20T14:44:06.443-04:00Lvka,
You need to modify your claim. All I need ...Lvka,<br /><br />You need to modify your claim. All I need to do is show a mere possibility to invalidate it and I did.<br /><br />This is a public forum and if you want a private conversation send an email to John.Chuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15657598456196932490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-27405029270290176982010-06-20T13:42:19.090-04:002010-06-20T13:42:19.090-04:00Since there are two billion Christians on the face...Since there are two billion Christians on the face of the earth, and only 400,000 "Christian Scientists", please "excuse" me if I don't consider them in any way relevant..<br /><br />This being said, my (initial) question my addressed to John, not to anyone else.The Blogger Formerly Known As Lvkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09663692507774640889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-45114673409461440522010-06-20T12:45:48.962-04:002010-06-20T12:45:48.962-04:00And re: Chuck's comment, maybe then we could s...And re: Chuck's comment, maybe then we could see why songs of praise mean anything besides being organized noise.GearHedEdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288513835630145996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-21971250140014397602010-06-20T10:50:50.247-04:002010-06-20T10:50:50.247-04:00Brec
You need to make it your mission to reinstit...Brec<br /><br />You need to make it your mission to reinstitute Esperanto so the problem of language can be ended.Chuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15657598456196932490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-62447559153932099272010-06-20T10:48:44.282-04:002010-06-20T10:48:44.282-04:00So when you say that you don't see moral teach...So when you say that you don't see moral teaching differ from one denomination to another YOU are not including Christian Scientists? If so then your strong claim is easily defeated by showing your argument from ignorance. Morals do differ from denomination to denomination (unless you think all Christians would withhold necessary medical care from children) and your claim is moot.Chuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15657598456196932490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-53908110690741285802010-06-20T08:21:39.893-04:002010-06-20T08:21:39.893-04:00No, Chuck, but I am a reader... and judging from w...No, Chuck, but I am a <i>reader</i>... and judging from what John <i>wrote</i>, it does not seem that he had such restrictive, peculiar sects in mind. His statements are broader, more general.The Blogger Formerly Known As Lvkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09663692507774640889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-7883363811125862772010-06-20T07:47:04.565-04:002010-06-20T07:47:04.565-04:00Breckmin said,
"you are probably not going ...Breckmin said, <br /><br />"you are probably not going to seek the Holy Creator and His Great Love for you."<br /><br /><br />Why are we supposed to seek a creator? We cannot search the entire universe for a creator when we are earth bound.<br /><br />By your comments, you question absolutely NOTHING!!!!<br /><br />Do you ever read any of your ignorant comments before you type them???Steven Bentlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16139666223082953913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-75819807578915202692010-06-20T01:01:10.405-04:002010-06-20T01:01:10.405-04:00"I DO question everything. But when I questio..."I DO question everything. But when I question I have resolved to question with REVERENCE to a Holy Creator Who is concluded and not just assumed."<br /><br />Concluded only in your own mind.GearHedEdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288513835630145996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-15615328063510969262010-06-20T01:00:03.750-04:002010-06-20T01:00:03.750-04:00"No, no. It's SPELT Raymond Luxury-Yacht,..."No, no. It's SPELT Raymond Luxury-Yacht, but it's pronounced "Throat Warbler Mangrove..."GearHedEdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288513835630145996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-11507344415881576642010-06-19T22:59:39.188-04:002010-06-19T22:59:39.188-04:00Lvka said... "Uhm... I said "it leads on...Lvka said... "Uhm... I said "it leads one to", not "it leads to one"..."<br /><br />Sorry my mistake !, i had thought you were Catholic<br /><br />Lvka said.."Apart from that, as far as our earthly life is concerned, I don't see moral teaching differ from one denomination to another."<br /><br />Oh so your God hates fags and hates America,and kills witches too ??<br /><br />Holy guacamoleGandolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624178234332819107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-41692473937219282462010-06-19T22:58:34.809-04:002010-06-19T22:58:34.809-04:00"It's argued that I reject Christianity b..."It's argued that I reject Christianity because I prefer to live my life apart from God."<br /><br />"prefer to" here only addresses the flesh and the sin nature and does not take into account possible "spiritual deception" which can influence a person.<br />"It's argued that I reject Christianity <br />I would argue that anyone who charges you with such an over simplification is guilty of failing to understand critical thinking with respect to Christianity, its basic assumptions, and the inevitable face value contradictions which are easily explained when you employ wisdom from the Holy Creator.<br /><br />It is VERY important to learn how to navigate through all of the anthropomorphisms, over simplications, false inductions, and particularly the imperfection in particular "meanings" of words we use when it comes to hyper-technicality.<br /><br />Until you see what is going on with all of the "imperfections" in our communication and the spiritual/physical dynamic which complicates everything (with respect to critical thinking), <br /><br />you are probably not going to seek the Holy Creator and His Great Love for you.<br /><br />I DO question everything. But when I question I have resolved to question with REVERENCE to a Holy Creator Who is concluded and not just assumed.<br /><br />If I didn't question everyting...then I wouldn't be able to answer your questions to my own satisfaction. <br /><br />Spiritual relastionship is sine qua non in corroborative interpretation of evidence.<br /><br />Assumptions + Observation/Data = Conclusion.<br /><br />Wrong assumptions will lead to deception. Q EBreckminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16059206540177008895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-46427154706418761372010-06-19T16:38:57.009-04:002010-06-19T16:38:57.009-04:00Lvka
Since when are you a mind reader? You expos...Lvka<br /><br />Since when are you a mind reader? You expose your self-centeredness with this response. Do you always reason from solipsism?Chuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15657598456196932490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-30001456872938899942010-06-19T16:21:09.050-04:002010-06-19T16:21:09.050-04:00Somehow I don't think John had this particular...Somehow I don't think John had this particular distinctive belief of that particular denomination in mind...The Blogger Formerly Known As Lvkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09663692507774640889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-48136742067022043422010-06-19T16:07:02.969-04:002010-06-19T16:07:02.969-04:00Our earthly life is all the reputable evidence we ...Our earthly life is all the reputable evidence we have for any life Lvka. And would you withhold medical care to your children if they were suffering because your belief told you to? If not then your moral conclusion is vastly different from a recognized Christian denomination.Chuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15657598456196932490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-49272448253812476312010-06-19T13:26:24.034-04:002010-06-19T13:26:24.034-04:00Uhm... I said "it leads one to", not &qu...Uhm... I said "it leads one to", not "it leads to one"...<br /><br />Apart from that, as far as our earthly life is concerned, I don't see moral teaching differ from one denomination to another.The Blogger Formerly Known As Lvkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09663692507774640889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-51636420355882696092010-06-19T06:29:09.601-04:002010-06-19T06:29:09.601-04:00"Do i Prefer to Live in a Godless Universe&qu..."Do i Prefer to Live in a Godless Universe"<br /><br />Considdering that its highly likely if Gods honestly had existed, they most probably might have been a little peeved off with some actions of their follower,and so more likely also even been at least a little interested in possibly setting a few wayward followers right!, on some matters.<br /><br />Which would have meant warped and often quite nasty followers would have been much less likely to even exist.Making life a lot easier in many ways for ALL of us.<br /><br />Id say having a Godless Universe has really become something thats strongly negative, rather than ever being anything that could honestly be considdered as anything thas a real positive?.<br /><br />Those who think you feel this way,need to feel its so,to try and bolster their own faith,even if it be by false thoughts.<br /><br />Lvka said..."Since that possibility leads one to a beautiful lifestyle, I don't understand the observation. What did you mean by it?"<br /><br />Well ..if it leads to "one" beautiful lifestyle,then so far its most often caused many split lifestypes a plenty.Indeed that is factually how come, we now do happen to have Catholic,Anglican,Baptist,JWs.\,Mormon,Presbyterian,<br />pentecostal,Westbro baptist,Open Brethren,Closed Brethren,Sideways Brethren,Zig Zag Brethren,Orthodox, Unorthodox,Islam,Hinduism you name them we now have them all.And more and more specialist little faith groups forming each and every year also.<br /><br />Lvka it is really only a faithful illusion!, that its supposedly led us to "one" beautiful lifestyle, unless that is you honestly considder a split and divided lifestyle, is actually whats should be considdered as being whats "ONE" beautiful lifestyle.<br /><br />You think it is Lvka?Gandolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624178234332819107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-12148255238027118412010-06-19T04:18:18.596-04:002010-06-19T04:18:18.596-04:00Jim,
sorry to disappoint, but I still don't ...Jim, <br /><br />sorry to disappoint, but I still don't get John's point: what exactly was he objecting to?The Blogger Formerly Known As Lvkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09663692507774640889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-51717944818490295082010-06-19T00:09:39.753-04:002010-06-19T00:09:39.753-04:00Actually, to be honest, I DO prefer a godless univ...Actually, to be honest, I DO prefer a godless universe. I prefer that the help and support I get will be from real life tangible people who will realiably react when I ask. I prefer that what happens be predictable and caused by nature and other people. I prefer knowing that what I do and the way I live will be returned to me in kind rather than hoping to be pleasing to some invisible unknowable yet all powerful being. I prefer not having to waste time thinking about how to make the religion concepts I had been taught fit into the observable scientifically predicatable world. I am happier, more confident, more curious, more logical in my thinking, more compassionate, more involved with other people. There is some minor inconvenience in not 'fitting in' with certain sort of people and not sharing in some aspects of the larger society, but the postive benefits more than outweigh those minor irritations.goprairiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00532311590000341237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-77550802522824297932010-06-18T23:52:14.378-04:002010-06-18T23:52:14.378-04:00Luka,
Your blog posts are truly insipid turds of ...Luka,<br /><br />Your blog posts are truly insipid turds of non-thinking.<br /><br />What are you--like 14 years old?<br /> <br />John is right not to waste his time on your posts.<br /><br />Apologize if I'm harsh--I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but now that I've seen the puddle deep level of your thinking in the past month or so, I think it's a waste of time for anyone to respond to you.<br /><br />If you want to have a dialog, then make meaningful comments and ask relevant questions and stop with the whiny attitude.<br /><br />By the way--I don't know if I speak for all atheists, but I can assure you of the following:<br /><br />I don't care if the religious life is BEAUTIFUL--I care if it's TRUE!.<br /><br />I don't care if belief in God gives a person HOPE--I care if it's TRUE!<br /><br />I don't care if belief in God helps people get through life--I care if it's TRUE!<br /><br />I don't care if belief in Jesus Christ leads to an uplifting life of joyous anticipation of spending eternity with my Lord and Savior--I care if it's TRUE!<br /><br />Get it?<br /><br />RegardsJimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03562922818694517439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-90434505152167030692010-06-18T23:41:37.439-04:002010-06-18T23:41:37.439-04:00Imprinting is the key word here.
I remember heari...Imprinting is the key word here.<br /><br />I remember hearing about a baby duck that hatched out and the first thing it saw was a cat and so it followed the cat around thinking the cat was it's real mother.<br /><br />Same thing happens with religious beliefs, hearing them for the first time thinking they're really true.Steven Bentlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16139666223082953913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-91919252266258088082010-06-18T19:18:46.151-04:002010-06-18T19:18:46.151-04:00John,
just who exactly do you think you are, not...John, <br /><br />just who exactly do you think you are, not answering me when I'm talking to you? God!? :DThe Blogger Formerly Known As Lvkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09663692507774640889noreply@blogger.com