tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post2236069006235986825..comments2023-12-01T18:05:24.875-05:00Comments on Debunking Christianity: The Test in the Supposed Garden of Eden Was a ShamUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger111125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-55236558071013943852010-04-01T00:06:21.116-04:002010-04-01T00:06:21.116-04:00Religion is a very necessary peice of the war deat...Religion is a very necessary peice of the war death machine, that makes some Men very very rich at the expense of all of humanity, until we wake up and realize that all religion creates evil, can we have a world free from evil.James Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14321434714030046525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-16563862195694402452010-03-31T23:55:50.964-04:002010-03-31T23:55:50.964-04:00I guess the really sad part is that we must seriou...I guess the really sad part is that we must seriously have this conversation and its the year 2010 for heaven sakes! <br /><br />Isn't it time the bible takes its rightful place next to Homer's Odyssey, Eosops fables, and all other past myths?James Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14321434714030046525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-59027987125862566062010-03-20T08:27:47.179-04:002010-03-20T08:27:47.179-04:00Chuck O'Connor said...
Soul Crushed,
All you...<i>Chuck O'Connor said...<br /><br />Soul Crushed,<br /><br />All you are doing is indicating how little you know of evolutionary theory.</i><br /><br /><b>+1</b><br /><br />ty chuck, his comments on the ToE are absurd.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18001056020421447516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-45454015917655228652010-03-20T07:50:42.149-04:002010-03-20T07:50:42.149-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18001056020421447516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-27173448734930404512010-03-18T10:57:08.290-04:002010-03-18T10:57:08.290-04:00Breckmin.
Sorry, i kept spelling choice instead of...Breckmin.<br />Sorry, i kept spelling choice instead of choose?shanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07118637281630775156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-35233857115016317722010-03-18T00:45:02.401-04:002010-03-18T00:45:02.401-04:00Breckmin.
You see.....i do apply cause and effect...Breckmin.<br /><br />You see.....i do apply cause and effect because it is an evident role in existence.<br /><br />I find you on the other hand stating alot of your arguments on assumption.<br />You are assuming there is such a thing as angels, and that they possess minds without brains?<br /><br />A mind cannot exist without a brain. The result of Alzheimers is a perfect example. If we have minds independant of the brain, then why does the mind lose memory when the brain is damaged, why doesn't it stay uneffected in people with Alzheimers, why does the brain have to learn before making a choice?<br /><br />I agree that love is manifested in action and actions are a choice.......but you are over stepping what i said. I said love itself is not a voluntary action. We can choice to act on love, but we CANT choose TO love something out of freewill.<br />Neither you or I can just wake up one morning and decide to love someone?<br />We can choose to act on any emotions-love-anger-fear-joy....etc but love is an emotion an it develops based on emotional attachment.<br /><br />You also said, "We cannot love God unless we are in agreement with Him"?<br /><br />I love many people, but im not always in agreement with their actions, choices, and sensibilities?<br /><br />All im saying in regards to Satan, is that to my biblical knowledge, God's standard is perfection!<br />That is why one act of sin (Adam and Eve) caused all to become sinful.<br />Jesus even said "therefore you most be perfect just as your father in heaven is perfect"<br />And the way we are to attain perfection is through Jesus sacrifice!<br /><br />No sin can be in the presence of God!<br /><br /> Therefore, if angels are suppossed to be in Gods presence in heaven...they would have to be sinless beings!<br /> And if Satan was a sinless being at one point, how could he possibly choice an evil act?<br />The fact that he could even have the INTENT do choice a sinful act is evidence of an imperfect character!<br /><br />Jesus even said "for whosoever even looks at a woman in lust has already committed adultry with her in his HEART!<br />Here Jesus Himself is saying that its not just the act of evil that is the sin.....its also the intent.....He is saying that evil begins in the heart.<br /><br />How could a perfectly holy being develop pride in their heart in the first place in order to act on it by free will?<br />The fact that Satan would have had to be perfect in the first place to be in the presence of God would mean that he could not commit evil, for that is exactly what made him perfect!<br /><br />This whole biblical concept is flawed in logic and reason.<br />Your right......we do need the ability to choose between good and evil in order to have free will.....but that is my whole point, this fact completely contadicts the bible stories for reasons I have stated above!<br /><br />You said that if im going to simplify all of this by the formula of cause and effect I will fail to understand?<br />Its not just cause and effect, im taking biblical passeges and putting them together here!......and they are not in harmony with the concept of free will.shanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07118637281630775156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-13529598892767040292010-03-17T21:58:47.326-04:002010-03-17T21:58:47.326-04:00"its all about choices??????"
Yes. It i..."its all about choices??????"<br /><br />Yes. It is all about being a so called "sovereign creature" with limited sovereignty based on circumstances and the ability to do what you please at the moment. It is the ability to make choices and be driven by personal impulses.<br /><br />"What are you talking about?"<br /><br />There are other things in Lucifer's circumstances which we could point to which could influence his potential (not a number or quantified potential) or already existing ability to choose or ignore logical humility and become prideful. To look at it in simplified cause and effect formula is painfully flawed and will lead you to error. You have to address the reality of how free will creates the potential byproduct as well as the ability to become corrupted.<br />You can say "he was flawed because he didn't know not to become satan" but this is still evasive to his choice/decision to be jealous, or become prideful.<br /><br />"How can you dispute that an evil intention must precede the act/choice of evil?"<br /><br />I do NOT dispute that point in anyway. What I dispute is that lucifer was created will pre-existing evil intention. This is not only evasive to the reality of his choice...but it is also evasive to the role of knowledge and experiences.<br /><br />"A person must have the thought to do evil or the intent before they can commit a willfull act/choice of evil........"<br /><br />Agreed.<br /><br />"This is not a hard concept, it is perfectly logical, thoughts precede acts."<br /><br />Agreed.<br /><br />"How could Satan commit a willfull act of rebellion unless he already had the tenacity to do so????"<br /><br />The problem is the word tenacity (or even if we used the word tendency) and what exactly you mean by it. If you said "he already had the potential to do so"<br />then I would agree with you - depending on how you explained the relationship between choice and potential. Every finite being of choice at first has the potential to be corrupted UNLESS you remove that potential in some way. (Special Pleading is logically justified that an Omniscient Infinite Creator Who sets the standard for good will never become evil and therefore "potential" does not apply to the Holy Creator).<br /><br />"Therefore i asked, "how is it possible for a being created pure and holy by God to develop an evil intent or an evil mind"?"<br /><br />The ability to choose creates the potential (ability) or byproduct.<br />Lucifer's corruption to satan is NOT creating evil out of nothing but is rather making a decision which falls short of the Perfect Standard of good. If you over-<br />simplify this with simple "cause and effect" you will miss the reality of "choice."<br /><br />"This indicates Satan would have had a character flaw right from the start....."<br /><br />If you believe that "choice" is a character flaw because it has the potential for disobedience/sin/lack of faith, etc<br />THEN you will blame God for creating angels with choice.<br /><br />An angel couldn't really love God unless they could agree with God, however.<br /><br />"which also indicates that God made him with this character flaw and would ultimately be to blame."<br /><br />You need to be able to agree with God in order to obey Him. You can't agree with God unless you can disagree with God.<br />This creates the logical complication. (and the necessity of grace and protection from our own potential choices)<br /><br />We are not puppets or robots.Breckminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16059206540177008895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-16788437221916616232010-03-17T21:57:52.819-04:002010-03-17T21:57:52.819-04:00"When i said Satans evil must precede his act..."When i said Satans evil must precede his act of evil.....you said illogical,"<br /><br />What I was referring to was in relation to God "creating him evil." This is the part that is illogical. God created him "neutral" in the sense that he was first "good" and would only do acts of good. BUT - he had the potential for sin/disobedience because he had the ability to "choose." This ability to make choices creates a potential byproduct to say "no" to God (which is a bad thing). Also, there is the issue of his circumstances...and things which caused him/contributed to/or allowed him/or influenced him (had an effect on him)to be jealous (the creation of Adam in God's Image who would be elevated).Breckminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16059206540177008895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-795546419512157432010-03-17T21:18:34.390-04:002010-03-17T21:18:34.390-04:00"Love is an emotion and like all emotions it ..."Love is an emotion and like all emotions it is not a voluntary action!"<br /><br />The "actions" of love are based on choice. This is very important to see.<br /><br />Love is often said to be "an action." (or will result in action)Breckminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16059206540177008895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-48263140936181865352010-03-17T21:16:14.794-04:002010-03-17T21:16:14.794-04:00@Shane
You can not escape "human consciousne...@Shane<br /><br />You can not escape "human consciousness" within the agreed assumptions of Christianity. It is as though you are viewing all human existence as mere "programming" or physical impulses in the human brain. Angels make intellectual choices without a human brain within the agreed set of assumptions of Christianity.<br /><br />You can't Love God unless you "agree" with God. You can't agree with God unless you have the potential to "disagree" with God (which is a bad thing). Love requires choice and choice creates the potential byproduct of choosing incorrectly (which is a violation against the Holy Nature of God). Love is manifested in "action." Action is based on "choice."<br /><br />The reason Christians are always talking about "choice" is because THEY/YOU make choices.<br /><br />Knowledge (and absolute knowledge) helps you make the RIGHT choice or choose correctly. What you "want" to do is your motive. Love can be/is a great motive. <br /><br />It is essential to pray for protection from deception as you<br />question.Breckminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16059206540177008895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-63709072197030488892010-03-16T07:32:06.804-04:002010-03-16T07:32:06.804-04:00Breckmin.
You keep saying that we can love God by...Breckmin.<br /><br />You keep saying that we can love God by choosing and that love is a choice?<br /><br />NO! love is not a choice. Love is an emotion and like all emotions it is not a voluntary action!<br />Nobody can choose to love, love is something that develops over time in a person based on experiences and emotional attachment!!!!<br /><br />This is what really burns me up about christians, they say everything is a choice!<br />They say "believing is a choice"..."you most choose to believe in Christ"<br />Nodody can choose to believe anything because belief is not a voluntary action either!<br />Belief is based on what the brain perceives to be true based on new information compared with old information. People cannot pick and choose their belief's or what they happen to fall in love with.<br /><br />The reason christians are so adamant about choices, is because they want to dismiss any blame that could be placed on God and His design, and focus all fault on human beings and their sinful choices.shanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07118637281630775156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-29695364043934516132010-03-16T07:08:29.126-04:002010-03-16T07:08:29.126-04:00Breckmin.
I think your wrong. When i said Satans ...Breckmin.<br /><br />I think your wrong. When i said Satans evil must precede his act of evil.....you said illogical, its all about choices??????<br /><br />What are you talking about?<br /><br />How can you dispute that an evil intention must precede the act/choice of evil?<br />A person must have the thought to do evil or the intent before they can commit a willfull act/choice of evil........<br /><br />This is not a hard concept, it is perfectly logical, thoughts precede acts.<br /><br />How could Satan commit a willfull act of rebellion unless he already had the tenacity to do so????<br /><br />Therefore i asked, "how is it possible for a being created pure and holy by God to develop an evil intent or an evil mind"?<br /><br />This indicates Satan would have had a character flaw right from the start.....which also indicates that God made him with this character flaw and would ultimately be to blame.<br /><br />Basically i know your going to just write back and refute this....but looking at this biblical concept from a logical- rational- point of view i am not wrong.shanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07118637281630775156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-82531677141867818632010-03-16T03:03:23.355-04:002010-03-16T03:03:23.355-04:00"1) God created us faulty in some way," ..."1) God created us faulty in some way," <br /><br />There is nothing that would make us believe that God would create us omniscient...or that this is even possible since you would have to be infinite. There is certain knowledge which must be learned.<br />That doesn't mean we are faulty..<br />that means we can LOVE God by choosing. That means we can say<br />"no" - BUT we can also say "yes" which is the good thing.<br /><br /><br />"or 2) The test was a sham. And since a fair test would mean some of us would not have sinned,"<br /><br />Disorder and would lead to a heaven of confusion..with people whom God loves dropping off. <br /><br />Also...there is NO SUCH THING AS "fair." Fair is an illusion we grow up with which can be reduced to sharing and the illusion of equal opportunity which does not exist in this universe.<br /><br /><br />"then some human beings are being punished in this world for something they never would have done in the first place."<br /><br />Unless it would have been no other way...in which case your point fails to deal with the reality of God's Omniscience and optimal plan for the greatness of salvation and the Glory of Love forever in heaven worshipping Jesus (because we "choose" to).<br /><br />"This is just one of many problems that keeps me from believing"<br /><br />As long as you fail to see the reality of the Law of Unfairness, you will never understand the absolute GRACE that God extends to you as a Christian...as well as the incredible LOVE He has for those for whom He died.<br /><br />There is nothing "fair" about Grace.Breckminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16059206540177008895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-80926394208911005572010-03-16T02:55:01.665-04:002010-03-16T02:55:01.665-04:00"The differences between heaven and earth are..."The differences between heaven and earth are the removal of the sin nature (the bondage of the flesh) and the ROLE of knowledge which had to be LEARNED and the role of LOVE which had to be demonstrated." Q.E.<br /><br />And, of course, spiritual regeneration through the power of God's Holy Spirit and everything that comes with it.Breckminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16059206540177008895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-28427386575343350522010-03-16T02:53:06.106-04:002010-03-16T02:53:06.106-04:00"Can souls in heaven choose to sin and be sen..."Can souls in heaven choose to sin and be sent to hell? Are they no longer free?"<br /><br />Actually, they are finally free. Free to always obey God and armed with the motive (absolute love) and knowledge (everything from this temporary creation) do DO this and be protected by God's grace for all of eternity.<br /><br />The point is that souls (or spiritual adopted children) WON'T<br />disobey or distrust God in heaven, because of the ROLE of knowledge (which has to be learned) and because of the GRACE of God which is being demonstrated.<br /><br />Heaven is actually where the born-again Christian finally HAS free will. Free from the bondage of sin (the sin nature/ original sin) AND "knowledge of the truth" so that the Truth can set them free for all of eternity. This is very important to understand. It is logical to always obey God and to always completely Trust God...but you wouldn't know this unless you actually LEARNED about God...and knew Him via personal relationship.<br /><br />The differences between heaven and earth are the removal of the sin nature (the bondage of the flesh) and the ROLE of knowledge which had to be LEARNED and the role of LOVE which had to be demonstrated. Q.E.Breckminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16059206540177008895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-53691579513181814892010-03-16T02:43:01.535-04:002010-03-16T02:43:01.535-04:00"For the evil of Satan must precede his act o..."For the evil of Satan must precede his act of evil"<br /><br />Incorrect from a standpoint of actuality.<br /><br />Of course, within the scope of God's Omniscience God knew that satan would commit an evil act (you could even talk about his circumstances and what he would or wouldn't be able to handle, etc.),<br />but this is still evasive to "free impulse." The concept of evil clearly existed "prior" to creation...but that has nothing to do with an actual "act" or decision - that is a BAD decision or violates the STANDARD of good.<br /><br />Neither satan nore Adam "started" with original sin like all of us descendents of Adam and Eve do (this assertion is made within the agreed set of assumptions of Christianity and original sin being true).<br /><br />It is very important to see how "sin/disobedience" is not something that God directly created...but is actually a potential byproduct of choice/violition.Breckminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16059206540177008895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-66075245501719436702010-03-16T02:34:37.797-04:002010-03-16T02:34:37.797-04:00@ Shane
"A pure and holy being CANNOT develop...@ Shane<br />"A pure and holy being CANNOT develop evil, that is impossible,"<br /><br />This fails to identify what Peter Kreeft and other systematic theologians have long identified as being the beginnings of sin/disobedience.<br /><br />Sin/disobedience/moral evil is a "potential byproduct" of choice.<br />It is having "choice" that creates this potential. Love requires "choice" so it is actually the necessity of having a being who will LOVE and "choose" which creates the inevitable potential byproduct of disobedience at some point, often due to a lack of knowledge or lack of motive.<br /><br />This is NOT just programming as though you can look at this like simple "cause and effect." This is far more complicated. We are talking about "human consciousness" that has its own impulse. You are a little "sovereign" being. Yes your sovereignty is limited and it can indeed be taken away by the choices of others...still, however,<br />both angels and humans "choose."<br /><br /><br />"if a being like that did develop evil, then they were never pure and holy to begin with!"<br /><br />He was "blameless in his ways" This doesn't mean he (Lucifer) was somehow perfect with all omniscient perfect knowledge. This means that he hadn't done anything wrong yet. He hadn't developed jealousy or become prideful, etc. This potential was there because of "free" will. ("free" is in quotes because we will probably have imperfection and equivocation on this word as it relates to circumstances, etc).<br />The point is that lucifer made an actual choice/decision.<br /><br />The most important factor to talk about is the role of knowledge and the potential byproduct of choice.<br /><br />"This can only lead to one conclusion."<br /><br />God is Perfect and Holy is my conclusion.<br /><br /><br />"God made Lucifer with evil from the very beginning."<br /><br />Completely illogical. Moral evil or sin/disobedience is based on choices and decision/knowledge.<br /><br />What God did do is make Lucifer the number one angel....and he couldn't handle it. There was a lack of logical humility (his status in relation to the Infinite Creator)and there was also the concept of power corrupts.<br /><br />As "top dog" among the angels..he<br />could not handle it. Either way only God should be number one among us...that that Number One Person is Jesus Christ - our Lord, Savior, God in human flesh, and Rightful King!<br /><br />Question everything.Breckminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16059206540177008895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-91109308707214765222010-03-15T14:58:30.418-04:002010-03-15T14:58:30.418-04:00Here is a given Biblical fact:
נחש is a serpent a...<b>Here is a given Biblical fact:</b><br /><br />נחש is a serpent and NOT השטן (the accuser) just as these Hebrew words are not the New Testament’s Σατανᾶς / ὁ διάβολος!<br /><br /><b>Theological evolution is a Biblical fact.</b> Just consider how a snake of ancient wisdom first appeared on a Sumerian vase of c. 2000 B.C.E. representing the healing god Ningishita, the prototype of the Greek Asklepios. <br /><br />This serpent of wisdom, which is still used by the medical profession today, and is an honored symbol for wisdom and healing.<br /><br />Ironically, the very God who cursed Adam and Eve in the Garden ONLY accepts prayer and direct miracles provided by him (as Biblically required) since these are the only proofs that can directly prove he exists (In an ancient religious era where competing religions all claimed their own gods who alone created the world).<br /><br />This Garden of Eden wisdom story is once again enforced in the New Testament by Jesus himself: <br /><br /><i>Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: <b>be ye therefore wise as serpents</b>, and harmless as doves.</i> (Matt. 10:16)Harry H. McCallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08974655354593831851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-50885300562495765352010-03-15T14:27:33.374-04:002010-03-15T14:27:33.374-04:00Soul Crushed,
All you are doing is indicating how...Soul Crushed,<br /><br />All you are doing is indicating how little you know of evolutionary theory.Chuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15657598456196932490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-64001712275782984322010-03-15T14:26:16.455-04:002010-03-15T14:26:16.455-04:00What I find funny is Rob R's case is built on ...What I find funny is Rob R's case is built on the fact that collective responsibility can be practiced when an observed wrong has been committed (e.g. The African Diaspora and US Slavery evoking Affirmative Action Policy) but, he fails to establish that Adam and Eve ever existed so, his analogy fails.Chuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15657598456196932490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-80415354925599997372010-03-15T13:34:26.938-04:002010-03-15T13:34:26.938-04:00Zenmite.
Very good point!
What i was trying to g...Zenmite.<br /><br />Very good point!<br /><br />What i was trying to get across to them was that if Satan chose evil by his free will, then this would be an act of evil in itself..... and imply he was already evil to begin with!<br />For the evil of Satan must precede his act of evil..........meaning God created Satan with evil in him.<br /><br />But eitherway, you made a good point that i often wondered about myself.shanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07118637281630775156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-35745911116352550642010-03-15T13:05:42.907-04:002010-03-15T13:05:42.907-04:00"A pure and holy being CANNOT develop evil, t...<i>"A pure and holy being CANNOT develop evil, that is impossible, if a being like that did develop evil, then they were never pure and holy to begin with!"</i><br /><br />No doubt they will turn back to the 'freewill' assertion. For Lucifer to be a truly free being he must be able to choose evil. Of course god <i>knew</i> that satan would freely choose evil and rebellion. Knowing all this, god chooses to create lucifer anyway.<br /><br />Back to my question; Can souls in heaven choose to sin and be sent to hell? Are they no longer free? God apparently values freewill above all else...beyond massive suffering for all eternity. As long as he can wash his hands of it and insist we did it to ourselves.<br /><br />If pure, free beings (like satan) can choose evil, couldn't god himself also choose evil. Even Jesus was tempted. <br /><br />Being free, god could decide to become an evil being, destroy, torture & kill his creatures for no good reason..even babies. Oh wait. That is what happened!zenmite AKA Marshall Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08696178493758587271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-56451869794005734622010-03-15T12:19:15.797-04:002010-03-15T12:19:15.797-04:00I haven't read the previous comments, but it f...I haven't read the previous comments, but it feels as though John's stance is that sin is to be avoided in order to escape punishment. But I don't think it is possible for grace to be exhibited without sin. I don't think it is possible to know unconditional love w/o the benefit of being fallible and vulnerable. Just saying.Manifesting Mini Me (MMM)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08250513504254425163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-89813563818870660332010-03-15T09:28:34.332-04:002010-03-15T09:28:34.332-04:00Rob R writes:
God did not make the first humans ...Rob R writes:<br /><br /><b><br />God did not make the first humans evil, he made them morally free that they could freely be good, and by definition, the ability to freely do good entails the possibility to do evil. Such a possibility is not evil in and of itself. The possibility of evil is not evil. The possibility of anything is not the same as the actuality of that thing. Actual evil is the moral problem, not possible evil.</b><br /><br />Consider the following statement: "When Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit, they did nothing that was immoral." Discuss.<br /><br />It is interesting to compare and contrast the myth of Adam and Eve with the Greek myth of Prometheus. Prometheus stole fire from the gods and gave it to mankind, and was punished by Zeus for it. Similarly, Adam and Eve stole knowledge of good and evil from God and were punished by God for doing so. However, while Prometheus' defiance of the gods made him a hero, Adam and Eve don't appear to be particularly heroic.<br /><br />It is also interesting to compare the figure of Eve the first woman) with the figure of Pandora (who was also the first woman). Both of these "first women" were blamed for bringing woe and trouble to mankind.Northlanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00769117142960558423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-87053321917445416742010-03-15T07:06:56.426-04:002010-03-15T07:06:56.426-04:00Breckmin.
You see, christians want it both ways.
...Breckmin.<br /><br />You see, christians want it both ways.<br /><br />On one hand they say that- when made Lucifer He made him a pure and holy being (an angel).<br />On the other hand, they say that- at some point sin (pride) developed in Lucifer and he fell.<br /><br />This is a contradiction!<br /><br />A pure and holy being CANNOT develop evil, that is impossible, if a being like that did develop evil, then they were never pure and holy to begin with!<br />This can only lead to one conclusion. God made Lucifer with evil from the very beginning.shanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07118637281630775156noreply@blogger.com