tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post1398636029108601065..comments2023-12-01T18:05:24.875-05:00Comments on Debunking Christianity: Christian THINK: How Did We Learn About What Kills Us?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-85250717511914062662010-01-02T23:37:35.548-05:002010-01-02T23:37:35.548-05:00OOPs, I did say it correctly in the first place. ...OOPs, I did say it correctly in the first place. Oh well, it's getting late. :-)Wayne Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08639432800731002070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-84964943213727198932010-01-02T23:35:47.895-05:002010-01-02T23:35:47.895-05:00In my last post, instead of nothing could be clear...In my last post, instead of nothing could be clear, I meant nothing could be clearer.Wayne Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08639432800731002070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-42685460791850756112010-01-02T23:00:41.820-05:002010-01-02T23:00:41.820-05:00J.L. Watts said: Wayne - not really buying your ex...J.L. Watts said: Wayne - not really buying your exegesis. Of course, the same will be said of mine.><br /><br />If you don't believe me, then just go ahead and check out Mark 9:1. It is quite clear from that that Jesus stated that the end times was going to occur in the life time of the people standing there. Nothing could be clear. It didn't happen and that made Jesus just another failed prophet. Nothing could be clearer.Wayne Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08639432800731002070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-42313908774198163212010-01-02T22:53:28.684-05:002010-01-02T22:53:28.684-05:00Gandolf said:
Hi again Wayne... Ive had a couple o...Gandolf said:<br />Hi again Wayne... Ive had a couple of kids myself, they make a few mistakes.Sometimes even more than once or twice.<br /><br />Would it be right for me to boot them out of the house?.><br /><br />Hi Gandolf. My answer is, absolutely not. Sounds like you are a better father than the god of the Old Testament.Wayne Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08639432800731002070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-13571587312041475332010-01-02T16:26:11.241-05:002010-01-02T16:26:11.241-05:00J. L. Watts makes me wonder...Hey maybe folks woul...J. L. Watts makes me wonder...Hey maybe folks would have simply been much better off to try to forget about perfection,and worked more on simple acceptance of each others differences and imperfections, and finding out how best they could best learnt to try to learn to get along.<br /><br />But then i do understand... life for ancient early man with scientific education (lacking),must have always seemed like...Hey! maybe? there really must be some "supernatural power" punishing certain people here on earth.Lightning bolts randomly killing folks etc.<br /><br />I can understand early uneducated man thinking,hey maybe gods will stop punishing us ..If we can somehow attain some sort of generalized perfection amongst ourselves.<br /><br />From those early uneducated thoughts of humans, came all the different theorys of faiths, gods, sacrifices, heaven and hell etc etc<br /><br />What do you think J.L ..Sound possible ? ...Or you still prefer to think likely the donkeys and snakes etc talkedGandolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624178234332819107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-61973506566334968252010-01-02T16:00:34.231-05:002010-01-02T16:00:34.231-05:00J. L. Watts said... "@Gandolf - Look at the h...J. L. Watts said... "@Gandolf - Look at the history of the development of the doctrine of hell as well as the tension in the early church with Universalism."<br /><br />Ahhh ... Yes,almost seems its really just one dilemma after the other aint it.Gandolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624178234332819107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-65109439592788137762010-01-02T14:52:20.921-05:002010-01-02T14:52:20.921-05:00@Gandolf - Look at the history of the development ...@Gandolf - Look at the history of the development of the doctrine of hell as well as the tension in the early church with Universalism. <br /><br />@Wayne - not really buying your exegesis. Of course, the same will be said of mine.J. L. Wattshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01000798494472742263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-57149586967464202582010-01-02T13:58:01.474-05:002010-01-02T13:58:01.474-05:00Wayne D said...
"Gandolf,
If Adam and Eve ha...Wayne D said... <br />"Gandolf,<br />If Adam and Eve had gotten it right, they would have gone for the fruit from the tree of everlasting life instead. Perhaps, they didn't know about that until they ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge, and God knowing that, had to kick them out of the garden before they ate from that fruit."<br /><br />Hi again Wayne... Ive had a couple of kids myself, they make a few mistakes.Sometimes even more than once or twice.<br /><br />Would it be right for me to boot them out of the house?.<br /><br />Holy cow! i was the one who actually created them rug rats! ....Why the hell is it "they" should be the ones being held totally at fault here?<br /><br />Wayne D said... "Unfortunately, we all paid the price."<br /><br />Very unfortunate.Gandolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624178234332819107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-41965397972364798832010-01-02T11:46:36.695-05:002010-01-02T11:46:36.695-05:00J.L. Watts
Preterism is a variant of Christian esc...J.L. Watts<br />Preterism is a variant of Christian eschatology which holds that most or all of the biblical prophecies concerning the End Times refer to events which have already happened in the first century after Christ's birth.<br /><br />What exactly is your point? In Mark, the oldest Gospel, Jesus states that there will be some still standing when God arrives in glory in his kingdom. In a later Gospel, this is slightly changed because it has not yet happened. Finally, in John, the most recent Gospel, the claim is made that the prophesy was fulfilled by the Logos or word made flesh. At that point, it was obvious that the end times were not going to happen in the life time of those standing before Jesus when he made that statement. I don’t buy this because scholars know that the oldest accounts are usually the most accurate. My point is, it did not happen. God’s kingdom did not come down to earth with God arriving in glory like Jesus predicted it would in the life time of those he was preaching to, including his disciples.Wayne Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08639432800731002070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-38070025969451858162010-01-02T11:25:03.890-05:002010-01-02T11:25:03.890-05:00Gandolf,
If Adam and Eve had gotten it right, they...Gandolf,<br />If Adam and Eve had gotten it right, they would have gone for the fruit from the tree of everlasting life instead. Perhaps, they didn't know about that until they ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge, and God knowing that, had to kick them out of the garden before they ate from that fruit.Wayne Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08639432800731002070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-60208885887480401802010-01-02T09:11:08.358-05:002010-01-02T09:11:08.358-05:00J. L. Watts said..."Gandolf - why does everyo...J. L. Watts said..."Gandolf - why does everyone consider that hell is a settled question?"<br /><br />Hi J. L. Watts<br /><br />Do you mind explaining a little what your questioningGandolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624178234332819107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-83355595026408553312010-01-02T07:15:42.788-05:002010-01-02T07:15:42.788-05:00Wayne, have you ever heard of Preterism?
Gandolf...Wayne, have you ever heard of Preterism? <br /><br />Gandolf - why does everyone consider that hell is a settled question?J. L. Wattshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01000798494472742263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-28834167480219010712010-01-02T02:47:30.371-05:002010-01-02T02:47:30.371-05:00Wayne D said... "Unfortunately, we all paid t...Wayne D said... "Unfortunately, we all paid the price."<br /><br />Very unfortunate.Gandolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624178234332819107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-34572560004177192262010-01-02T00:36:29.915-05:002010-01-02T00:36:29.915-05:00My appologies for posting my comment to Lynn twice...My appologies for posting my comment to Lynn twice. I thought it had failed and redid it.Wayne Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08639432800731002070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-33392176921068303322010-01-02T00:35:06.397-05:002010-01-02T00:35:06.397-05:00Gandof said "Classic reasoning aint it? ..A f...Gandof said "Classic reasoning aint it? ..A father who punishes the whole family forever!,simply because the two kiddies Adam and Eve, happened to be normal kiddies and make some mistakes."<br /><br />I agree with you, but a Christian would argue with you that this was merely a way of testing Adam and Ever. God gave them everything they needed for a good life, but made one command not to eat a certain fruit. God wanted to know if he could trust man to follow his rules to the letter. Since they didn't, he decided they did not earn the right to remain in his garden. Unfortunately, we all paid the price.Wayne Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08639432800731002070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-39657952648315653302010-01-02T00:25:39.143-05:002010-01-02T00:25:39.143-05:00Hi Lynn,
I was originally Christian, but had too m...Hi Lynn,<br />I was originally Christian, but had too many questions like why did Jesus preach to the people that they must prepare for the coming of God’s Kingdom if it wasn’t going to happen until millenniums later. The same holds true for the apostle Paul, who, upon being asked by one of his churches if they should help the poor, responded that it wasn’t necessary because they would soon be elevated to God coming Kingdom. I tried to get the answer from religious sources including my minister, but to no avail. Finally, I found the answer in a Teaching Company college lecture titled The Historic Jesus by Bart Erhman. Erhman was once an evangelical as well as a fundamentalist until he finally realized that the Bible was man-made, not God inspired. In the oldest Gospel, Mark 9:1, Jesus responds to a question as to when the ‘ends times were coming. He responded as follow: “Verily I say unto you, that there be some of them that stand here, which shall taste death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.” Here was the answer all along. It was supposed to happen back then in the life time of Jesus’ followers. The Jews were under the cruel Roman rule and were looking for a military leader who would overthrow the Romans. Jesus was preaching that God’s kingdom was about to come down to earth and the poor and downtrodden were to be raised up into this kingdom and the rich and powerful Romans were going to be put down. The Catholic church long ago decided that Jesus was God. If so, then you would think that God would know the future. However, it did not happen, and, as a result, I can only come to the conclusion that Jesus was just another failed prophet, which, has, for me, blown Christianity out of the water. Since then, I have listened to other lectures and read many books like Karen Armstrong’s The History of God. As a result, I feel that religion is simply man made. That said, I also look at how complicated we are in that we simultaneously require digestion, elimination, respiration, a flap to prevent food and drink from going down into our lungs, circulation and reproduction. Even if you have all but reproduction, the animal that came about by chance would eventually die and the chance process would have to start all over again. Therefore, I lean toward the existence of a creator, but I am an agnostic, because I know that a creator can neither be proven or disproven scientifically. What we do know is that we evolved from lower forms, but that does not disprove a creator. An atheist will respond that, if there is a creator, who created it? I must admit that it is a valid argument, but still feel that since we require all the above simultaneously, that it does not matter that there was a long period of time involved.Wayne Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08639432800731002070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-35610797063027981862010-01-02T00:24:57.461-05:002010-01-02T00:24:57.461-05:00Hi Lynn,
I was originally Christian, but had too m...Hi Lynn,<br />I was originally Christian, but had too many questions like why did Jesus preach to the people that they must prepare for the coming of God’s Kingdom if it wasn’t going to happen until millenniums later. The same holds true for the apostle Paul, who, upon being asked by one of his churches if they should help the poor, responded that it wasn’t necessary because they would soon be elevated to God coming Kingdom. I tried to get the answer from religious sources including my minister, but to no avail. Finally, I found the answer in a Teaching Company college lecture titled The Historic Jesus by Bart Erhman. Erhman was once an evangelical as well as a fundamentalist until he finally realized that the Bible was man-made, not God inspired. In the oldest Gospel, Mark 9:1, Jesus responds to a question as to when the ‘ends times were coming. He responded as follow: “Verily I say unto you, that there be some of them that stand here, which shall taste death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.” Here was the answer all along. It was supposed to happen back then in the life time of Jesus’ followers. The Jews were under the cruel Roman rule and were looking for a military leader who would overthrow the Romans. Jesus was preaching that God’s kingdom was about to come down to earth and the poor and downtrodden were to be raised up into this kingdom and the rich and powerful Romans were going to be put down. The Catholic church long ago decided that Jesus was God. If so, then you would think that God would know the future. However, it did not happen, and, as a result, I can only come to the conclusion that Jesus was just another failed prophet, which, has, for me, blown Christianity out of the water. Since then, I have listened to other lectures and read many books like Karen Armstrong’s The History of God. As a result, I feel that religion is simply man made. That said, I also look at how complicated we are in that we simultaneously require digestion, elimination, respiration, a flap to prevent food and drink from going down into our lungs, circulation and reproduction. Even if you have all but reproduction, the animal that came about by chance would eventually die and the chance process would have to start all over again. Therefore, I lean toward the existence of a creator, but I am an agnostic, because I know that a creator can neither be proven or disproven scientifically. What we do know is that we evolved from lower forms, but that does not disprove a creator. An atheist will respond that, if there is a creator, who created it? I must admit that it is a valid argument, but still feel that since we require all the above simultaneously, that it does not matter that there was a long period of time involved.Wayne Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08639432800731002070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-49843064975983918532010-01-01T20:31:44.217-05:002010-01-01T20:31:44.217-05:00HI J.L., I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, BUT FIRST A JOKE....HI J.L., I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, BUT FIRST A JOKE...<br /><br />A preacher who was visiting a farm and said to the farmer, "God's been mighty good to your fields, Mr. Farmer." "Yes," the Farmer replied, "But you should have seen how He treated them when I wasn't around." <br /><br />Did God design the bacteria that infect the food we eat? Even "prayed over" leftovers from Thanksgiving Day? Microgram for microgram, the poisons produced by some bacteria in our food are more potent than all other known poisons on earth. It is estimated that one tenth of an ounce of the toxin produced by bacteria causing botulism would be more than enough to kill everyone in the city of New York; and a 12-ounce glassful would be enough to kill all 5.9 billion human beings on the face of the Earth. (The same goes for the toxin that causes tetanus.) Pretty powerful stuff. Is that God's handiwork? Creationists - if they thought about it - must imagine God working overtime in His own personal biological warfare laboratory.<br /><br />Did God design the sawtoothed grain beetle, angoumois grain moths, Mediterranean flour moths, scale insects, cabbage worms, corn earworms, corn rootworms, cutworms, tomato fruitworms, etc., that destroy 30% of U.S. food crops by voraciously devouring leaves, fruits, grain, and also by spreading fungal and bacterial plant rots as well? Are we supposed to praise the Lord for designing such insects whose proliferation leads to human starvation?<br /><br />Only a Designer would have had the infinite wisdom and compassion to plant upon the earth "thousands of deadly shrubs and vines; stock the earth with ferocious beasts and poisonous reptiles; take pains to breed malaria and a host of other diseases in just the right `host' animals and environments he'd created for that purpose; arrange that the ground would occasionally open and swallow a few of his darlings; establish volcanoes that might at any moment overwhelm his children with rivers of fire; and then neglect to tell his children which of the plants and animals were deadly; failed to say anything about the earthquakes, and kept the volcano business a profound secret." [Ingersoll] <br /><br />Only a Designer would have had the infinite wisdom and compassion to "control the wind, the rain and lightning, such that whole States dry and wither, while at the same time wasting precious rain on the sea; make hurricanes and tornadoes such that cities and people are crushed to shapelessness; and direct lightning to strike the life out of men, women, and children." [Ingersoll] (See Job, chapters 36-38) <br /><br />Also next time you say "grace" why not thank the person who invented fire, the person who invented the first language, who planted the first seeds, domesticated the first livestock, the person who invented knives and forks, pots and pans, the stove, and limitless other items? What did we have before THOSE people arose? <br /><br />And thanks to the clergy they are busy teaching children about Adam and Noah instead of evolution; about David killing Goliath instead of Koch killing cholera; about Christ’s ascent into heaven instead of Montgolfier’s or Wright’s. Worse than that they are taught that it is a virtue to accept a statement without adequate evidence, which leaves them prey to quacks of every kind and makes it difficult for them to accept the methods of thought that are successful in science.--J. B. Haldane [NOTE] Montgolfier ascended into the heavens via a balloon filled with hot air, and the Wright brothers designed and piloted the first successful heavier-than-air flying machine.<br /><br />http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ce/4/Edwardtbabinskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13036816926421936940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-81905609317274409692010-01-01T17:36:31.441-05:002010-01-01T17:36:31.441-05:00I think that the teaching of original sin should b...I think that the teaching of original sin should be debunked first.Then perhaps we might have a better understanding of God.We read that the payment for sin is death,this refers to Adam's sin and his suffering physical/temporal death,which was passed on to humanity in procreation.Not procreation of the soul and spirit,but the body alone.We read that the payment for sin is death.Again,the physical/temporal death of Adam, which was passed onto all of humanity.<br /><br />Nowhere in scripture is original sin,spiritual death and separation from God taught.How can it be? The spirit and the soul is not made of earthly matter.The soul and spirit of all who die depart from the body/dust at death,and return to God,who gave them.Keep in mind that the soul and spirit are at times used interchangeably in scripture.They come from God and return to God.Gen 35:18,Ecclesiastes 12:7.<br /><br />Therefore the sin nature or original sin or spiritual death cannot be true.We are made in the image of God,from his very substance,although we are physically and biologically made in the image of Adam/man.<br />Procreation of the body,should not be confused with the teaching of some,of the so called 'sin nature' passed on from the male parent. Therefore spiritual death and separation from God at conception or birth makes no sense at all.<br /><br />Physical not spiritual death was passed on by Adam.In him(all die)even those who's sin cannot be compared to his.It is death that is the cause of sin,not the other way around.We sin because we die. Think of the impeccability of Christ,(forget about his virgin birth,his being the seed of the woman,having no earthly father,for a moment)and think only of his humanity,and the corruption of his body also,because physical death passed on by Adam.Yes Jesus is the Son of God,having the same nature as his Father,who is God.Yet,how could he alone be sinless,if all are 'born' with a sin nature? Is Mary his mother,not a daughter of Adam? <br /><br />So what-that it can be argued that the nature of men and women come from the male parent? Does scripture tell us this? No,though i do not deny it can be inferred,if one already believes in original sin,that is.<br /><br />Nevertheless,death not sin was passed onto all of humanity and all of humanity will be made alive,at the bodily resurrection of the just and the unjust at the coming of Christ.However,only those who believe,receive the gift of eternal life.It was Jesus' sinless life in his corrupted body of death,by which he is able to save us all.We are saved by his life and his death,we are justified by his resurrection from the dead.<br /><br />Just to clarify:i am in noway saying that we are NOT sinners and are separated from God,we are.And reconciliation is in Christ alone. What i am saying is that we were not BORN with a sin nature or original sin." Dee "https://www.blogger.com/profile/14639579301537768127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-67486875985568174182010-01-01T12:34:36.012-05:002010-01-01T12:34:36.012-05:00Here,
John is my answer:Here, <br /><br /><br /><a href="http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2010/01/engaging-atheism-blaming-god-for-humanitys-ignorance/" rel="nofollow">John is my answer: </a>J. L. Wattshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01000798494472742263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-89286518467003969552009-12-31T22:57:53.909-05:002009-12-31T22:57:53.909-05:00And then there are just some people who intuitivel...And then there are just some people who intuitively know which plants to eat and which to avoid. <br />Some of them were called witches.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-54282805515548862042009-12-31T21:47:35.936-05:002009-12-31T21:47:35.936-05:00MMM -"I do recall, as a nonbeliever, feeling ...MMM -"I do recall, as a nonbeliever, feeling that death was the culminating event in a human life"<br /><br />So that fact that your family and friends lived on after you, and you lived on also in their memories.As non believer left you feeling life in death was actually so final?.<br /><br />Thats where faith in gods which have always tended to be very selfish type beliefs in their very nature, by teaching people to think of themselves by way of gripping onto life by salvation in worthless dreams of the afterlife.Have purverted and downplayed what actually mattered most about our earthly lives.And produced selfish zombie type followers,who dont care if their faithful gambling habits happen to promote selfish gambling on mere dreams.But gamblers are that way inclined,their beliefs almost always revolved around "themself".<br /><br />MMM some ungodly tribes used to understand what life was honestly all about, and celebrated that they were part of it.Some first nation people of the U.S.A for instance,even welcomed death in old age, specially if it benefitted the whole tribes future.They were even quite happy under their own steam to purposely rush out to meet death at its doorstep!,and after the sadness of their passing had been mourned by the tribe. The tribe/family carried on through what the future brought along, with fellowship in their past memories to accompany them also.<br /><br />This type lifestyle was modeled much more on reason and reality.This type lifestyle did not worship the selfish gambling type nature of faith,that promotes and produces superstiton and ignorance such as witch killers killing children in Africa ...Kids even killed by the hands of family members, who minds had been twisted by (selfish faithful) dreams of securing their "own" salvation .<br /><br />MMM- the father of your faith you believe in is a very selfish thoughtless type father.He is built around ideals of selfish thoughts of salvation of the "self"<br /><br />The faith you follow is built on a idol god.A idol god that idolizes and promotes selfish thoughts of salvation of the "self".<br /><br />Its why folks dont mind killing their own family as a witch.Your faith makes them selfish...Selfish for "their" own salvation.<br /><br />Parents will worship faith so much and become (so selfish) for their "own" salvation.They are even fully prepared to sacrifice the lives of their own children,by way of placing faith in gods and prayer..(not using scientific medicine)<br /><br />One day maybe you will understand and realize it MMM.<br /><br />At present you dont worship a very commpassionate thoughtful caring god,you worship a sad god who produces humans with selfish thoughts of their "own" mortality through salvation.<br /><br /><br />Wayne D said... "Well if Adam hadn't eaten the forbidden fruit, man would still be there and wouldn't have to worry about poisonous plants. The mistake Adam and Eve made was not eating the fruit of eternal life instead"<br /><br />Yeah sure makes for good reason to atleast be agnostic dont it.<br /><br />Classic reasoning aint it? ..A father who punishes the whole family forever!,simply because the two kiddies Adam and Eve, happened to be normal kiddies and make some mistakes.<br /><br />Ahh what a great role model huh<br /><br />One day faithful folks will realize this argument John has put forward,has got nothing to do with non bwelievers fearing death or pain or whatever.<br /><br />Its got everything to do with "reasoning" and "questioning" the "honest logical" likelyhood of gods and inteligent design and fine tuning etcGandolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624178234332819107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-13854375331838691252009-12-31T20:00:56.695-05:002009-12-31T20:00:56.695-05:00Wayne D,
Looking forward to hearing your story.Wayne D,<br /><br />Looking forward to hearing your story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-81308353615118355922009-12-31T19:19:55.947-05:002009-12-31T19:19:55.947-05:00Hi Tyro, You wrote, "As a mark of courtesy a...Hi Tyro, You wrote, "As a mark of courtesy and respect to you, I'll be blunt. I'm interested in the discussion only, so your proselytizing is doubly unwelcome, as a presumption and a diversion."<br /><br />Hmmm...now I'm a proseltyizer and a presuming diversion (hadn't I already confessed to hypocrisy and conceit before?? Why yes, yes I did....). So, what's your point??? Just a friendly bit of advice, but if I really don't want to cooperate with a presumptuous diversion, I ignore it, (but, of course, you don't have to take my advice).<br /><br />I'll take your comment as a "no show" on the invite. But I'll still be waiting by the pearly gates, encouraging you to come in, Tyro!<br /><br />Bye!<br /><br />3MManifesting Mini Me (MMM)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08250513504254425163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-83675968106381202532009-12-31T17:12:59.411-05:002009-12-31T17:12:59.411-05:00Come on John, you are a former Christian Minister,...Come on John, you are a former Christian Minister, surely you know the answer. Remember Adam and Eve in the Garden where all the plants were edible and none poisonous? Well if Adam hadn't eaten the forbidden fruit, man would still be there and wouldn't have to worry about poisonous plants. The mistake Adam and Eve made was not eating the fruit of eternal life instead. God threw them out of the garden before they had a chance to correct that mistake. Perhaps they needed to first eat the fruit of knowledge first in order to know about the fruit of eternal life :-) BTW, I am a former Christian who is now agnostic and this is my first post here. You appear to have a cool blog. I will later explain what blew Christianity out of the water for me.Wayne Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08639432800731002070noreply@blogger.com