tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post116636854407725709..comments2024-03-25T17:35:02.238-04:00Comments on Debunking Christianity: Spiritual Gifts - Keep the Receipt!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-65536986079218876332008-01-25T19:37:00.000-05:002008-01-25T19:37:00.000-05:00I agree with you, Frank Walton Sucks!Want to know ...I agree with you, Frank Walton Sucks!<BR/>Want to know the truth about Frank Walton? <A HREF="http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/the_rational_response_squad_radio_show/hamurookis_irrational_precepts/10036" REL="nofollow">This is all you ever need to know about Frank Walton the stinky turdball =)</A> <BR/>Also, for further education, please visit this informative blogsite because<A HREF="http://atheismsucks-sucks.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">Frank Walton Stinks</A><BR/>Thanks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1170053524895818632007-01-29T01:52:00.000-05:002007-01-29T01:52:00.000-05:00Check out web site spirithome.com. somtimes clarit...Check out web site spirithome.com. somtimes clarity is just a web site away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1166808673281737602006-12-22T12:31:00.000-05:002006-12-22T12:31:00.000-05:00Frank Walton posts on the Edward T. Babinski blog ...<A HREF="http://edward-t-babinski.blogspot.com/2006/12/reactions-to-blasphemy-challenge.html" REL="nofollow">Frank Walton</A> posts on the Edward T. Babinski blog he's responded to the Blasphemy Challenge. I visited, posted, what I was saying was taken out of context, and then followed with "Everyone believes in God". Well, that's because I'm a deist, like *duh* ... but Deists are vastly different from Agnostics and Atheists. And by no means, is the Deity, the weak, moody, misfit, so-called "god" of the Christian religion. In fact, they'd call the Deity, the Devil. I waited for my second response to be approved... all night and morning, and its still not there. So, I deleted my original comment and went over to theology web and posted.<BR/><BR/>Frank Walton's crew are dishonest, I left this post:<BR/><BR/>I waited all night and all morning for my second response to that lie that everyone believes in God, to be posted. It never was. So, as you can see I deleted my original comment, and have moved everything to <A HREF="http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?p=1769875#post1769875" REL="nofollow">Theology Web</A>. Okay?Scriveningshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01350122934990690700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1166727686655065802006-12-21T14:01:00.000-05:002006-12-21T14:01:00.000-05:00..."Spiritual gifts take time to develop..."They s......"Spiritual gifts take time to develop..."<BR/><BR/>They should be pretty well developed after 2000 years of exercise. In a biblical context, the church is at least a 2000 year collection of people. Science grows and builds on itself, yet Christianity makes no progress, if anything, it seems to regress. Where are all those guys with healing power in their shadows? Seems like if all the guys with that 'gift' had written down their secrets of development, we'd have super gifts by now.paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04437206493901034134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1166660368354269832006-12-20T19:19:00.000-05:002006-12-20T19:19:00.000-05:00I think your post on Spiritual Gifts is a bit of a...I think your post on Spiritual Gifts is a bit of a farce. Afterall, isn't Paul dealing with the very problem of people abusing certain Spiritual Gifts (chs.12-14) which is causing division in the church. In fact, if you read the whole letter you will realise the depth of the problems in the Corinthian Church. Paul addresses them as Christian's, yet knows all to well that Christian's still rebel and abuse the gifts of God. Thus he restores the centrality of the gospel and exhorts them that their behaviour must reflect the fact of the Holy Spirit's indwelling.Mullyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17142348231185169988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1166626218420556472006-12-20T09:50:00.000-05:002006-12-20T09:50:00.000-05:00When it comes to understanding the clear voice of ...When it comes to understanding the clear voice of the Holy Spirit who is supposed to tell followers who love him and earnestly desire to follow him, then yes, Christians would believe what that voice said. Why not? But it's foolish to suppose that it's the Christians' fault every single time, and that's what you must believe.<BR/><BR/><I>If Lucifer could rebel against God right in his presense, how much more likely are we to not follow?</I><BR/><BR/>Here you're making reference to something that is even less believable to make your case. I do not believe that a being as intelligent as what Lucifer is claimed to be, would ever rebel in the unmediated presence of absolute love and unlimited power. If he did, he's dumber than a box of rocks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1166472662610293662006-12-18T15:11:00.000-05:002006-12-18T15:11:00.000-05:00As I have said elsewhere, if God (or the Holy Spir...As I have said elsewhere, if God (or the Holy Spirit) is writing on our hearts the moral truths by which we should live by, or if he's teaching us how to interpret the Bible, then he's writing with invisible ink. No one seems to be able to read it. And this is evidence for my claims. There is no evidence showing that he's doing his job. None. To say it's humankind's fault, sidesteps the question of whether God is to be blamed for not guiding us in ways he wants us to travel. Does he know how to communicate with us in ways we can understand, or not? <BR/><BR/>And it's nonsense to say that Christian people simply ignore God's voice. Christians have a desire to know God's will. I did. <BR/><BR/>Let's say that God wants us all to be Catholics. If that is the message the Holy Spirit is communicating, and Christian people hear it clearly, then they would become Catholics. And if Catholicism is true and the Holy Spirit had done his job all along, there wouldn't be the denominational wars that we saw in Christian history. Q.E.D.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1166462679200502372006-12-18T12:24:00.000-05:002006-12-18T12:24:00.000-05:00Point taken. I'm not a theological scholar or even...Point taken. I'm not a theological scholar or even a student but I find this discussion intriguing. I am afraid to open up too many areas as I rarely have discussions with non Christians or former Christians (my loss) But I do have another question. What about man's choice to accept the gifts or to use them? It seems that it is human nature to not use what we are given or to misuse it. This is not to say that the Holy Spirit as God can't rise above are humanness I believe he can but then one would have to wonder what kind of relationship that would be.<BR/>~proudofthefishAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1166447071254971982006-12-18T08:04:00.000-05:002006-12-18T08:04:00.000-05:00I think Spiritual gifts take a time to build just ...<I>I think Spiritual gifts take a time to build just like any other giftedness.</I><BR/><BR/>The gifts in Romans 12:6-8 seem to be the ones that must be developed (...serving, teaching, encouraging, giving, leadership, being merciful), and I found that such gifts as these correspond to a person's natural talents, upbringing, temperment, birth order, and abilities. My older brother, for instance, is a natural born leader, and surprise, he became a Christian and he now claims to have the gift of leadership. How exactly is that a special gift of the Spirit given to him as a Christian?<BR/><BR/>However, I believe a case can be made that the gifts mentioned in I Cor. 12 are special spiritual miraculous gifts, unlike those mentioned in Romans 12.<BR/><BR/>How does a person develop the gifts of prophecy and healing, for instance? Take a quick read through Acts and tell me how Peter and Paul learned to speak God's word and how they learned to heal (Acts 3:1-10; 14:8-10).<BR/><BR/>But if it's the responsibility of the Holy Spirit to guide Christians, then he should know exactly what to say to them to have them come to a consensus on the issues that they disagreed about that led to horrible wars. You just fail to see this. Is his job to illuminate the Christian mind, or not? The available evidence is against him properly doing his job.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1166413909781233892006-12-17T22:51:00.000-05:002006-12-17T22:51:00.000-05:00Here are my two cents. I think Spiritual gifts t...Here are my two cents. I think Spiritual gifts take a time to build just like any other giftedness. After all Paul spent about 14 years learning about Jesus before he even dared approach he elders in Jerusalem. But Biblical references aside, Any gift takes time and a willingness to develop. If you are at all familiar with Howard Gardner's theory of Multiple Intelligences I would like to use that as my example. Gardner believes that there are eight different types of intelligence and different people are gifted in certain ways. However just because someone has linguistic intelligence does not mean they do not need to work at learning how to read it simply means that they process linguistic information faster and more easily. Gardner also believes that a person can develop intellegenices that are not as strong by working and practicing with them. The brain is after all a muscle.<BR/><BR/>The point behind this is that I think all gifts spiritual or intellectual or whatever need to be developed. I very much believe that God plants the seeds of gifts in Christians when they choose to receive the Holy Spirit, but just as is up to them to be disciplined to read the Bible, to meet together, and to pray, it is also up to them to cultivate gifts and skills.<BR/><BR/>~proudofthefishAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1166412350297195292006-12-17T22:25:00.000-05:002006-12-17T22:25:00.000-05:00I think you're missing that much of the problem is...I think you're missing that much of the problem is that if both sides in such a dispute really believe it, we have reason to suspect that they're both wrong.The Uncredible Hallqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09565179884099473943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1166391024200547252006-12-17T16:30:00.000-05:002006-12-17T16:30:00.000-05:00John--have you contributed to the Rational Respons...John--have you contributed to the Rational Response Squad's <A HREF="http://www.blasphemychallenge.com/" REL="nofollow">Blasphemy Challenge?</A> That comment would make a good contribution to it.The Uncredible Hallqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09565179884099473943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1166374383516801152006-12-17T11:53:00.000-05:002006-12-17T11:53:00.000-05:00Actually, since the Holy Spirit is believed to res...Actually, since the Holy Spirit is believed to reside in the Christian, then every major conflict between churches proves to me that he isn't properly doing his job. Think about the wars between Christian denominations, as one example. If the Holy Spirit really exists and really teaches the Christian, then these wars, Inquisitions, Crusades, witch hunts and persecutions by other Christians are to be blamed upon the Holy Spirit not properly doing his job. And for me this is <B>solid</B> evidence he does not exist.<BR/><BR/>We see this even in the wide divergence of Christians on every issue from Calvinism to pentecostalism, to eschatology, to feminism, to capital punishment to abortion, to capitalism, to homosexuality, to politics of every sort, as well as every divergent theological position. <B>The evidence shows us there is no Holy Spirit guidance among Christians. He's not doing his job. Which again leads me to conclude he doesn't even exist.</B><BR/><BR/>The only possible come back for the Christian is to argue that other Christians are just not listening to the Holy Spirit. They must claim that they alone are listening to the Holy Spirit. LOL. How likely is that, especially since all Christians will claim that the Christians they disagree with are not listening to the Holy Spirit?<BR/><BR/>I can hear them now:<BR/><BR/>Ed: You're not listening to the Holy Spirit.<BR/>Jean: Yes I am. You aren't<BR/>Ed: No you aren't.<BR/>Jean: You!<BR/>Ed: No you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com