tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post116604421224707493..comments2023-12-01T18:05:24.875-05:00Comments on Debunking Christianity: Were We Former Christians? It Depends...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-20101556742880013502013-02-06T08:10:36.741-05:002013-02-06T08:10:36.741-05:00To Brian
How can you even prove the existence of ...To Brian<br /><br />How can you even prove the existence of 'god' without any verifiable proof? Don't go putting the 'faith' card on either, as that will not work on me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-52819893431290826332009-09-23T14:02:25.130-04:002009-09-23T14:02:25.130-04:00I don't doubt that some of the people here wer...I don't doubt that some of the people here were probably Christians and fell away, because I do not hold the once saved always saved doctrine. I do however, believe that some of the people here who proclaim to be atheists now, probably were not Christians. I say that as someone who grew up in a Christian home, dedicated my life to God at an altar call, and served in the church and church leadership for 30+ years, but only in the last few years did I truly become a Christian even though through my whole life I thought I was. There is a huge difference between doing Christian things, praying, and leading the church, and actually being someone who has submitted to God's lordship in such a way that He is more important than anything in this world including one's job, wealth, health, and family. To the previous poster, hang in there. A lot of doubt arises in times of suffering, but that is often because people presuppose that earthly suffering is the worst thing you can experience. If your spiritual character which is eternal, is built and refined at the cost of earthly discomfort which is temporary, then it is a favorable working of God.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07718272445227814052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-18722850923055897772009-07-27T07:20:48.336-04:002009-07-27T07:20:48.336-04:00Alright, lol (laugh out loud) this site is definit...Alright, lol (laugh out loud) this site is definitely one of the most amusing sites i've ever been on. For my entire life I was raised in a Christian home / Christian school. Got through all of that and became a drug dealer. Cut things short I got out of that lifestyle went completely straight and gave my life to God and changed things around. Now I know there is quite a bit of truth to Christianity historically, but I understand all the skepticisms everyone faces. To be honest lately everything has been going downhill and just messing up completely in my life. I have never ever heard Gods voice, and I constantly ask him why the f*ck is my life so damn shitty right now .. and I never get any sort of answer at all. So I guess I believe in Christianity because I have faith and it is one of the most historically accurate books. However I fail to understand how such a compassionate God can allow his children to go through so much BULLSHIT. Right now Im facing so many troubles in my life and I keep asking God for help and I wake up relying on myself because at the end of the day thats all im left with. If my life f*cks up I dont have to worry about God being homeless, its me that has to carry that burden. Everyone says God is there for you, but as the days pass I find that harder and harder to believe. Im sorry if I offend any Christians out there, but I am a self professed full out Christian. Right now though all I do is question myself, and ask if God loves his people so much why does he put them through so much pain.jrcox66https://www.blogger.com/profile/16464048118331106876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-15335851732793933402008-07-03T22:29:00.000-04:002008-07-03T22:29:00.000-04:00I am sad for you because you know God says it is b...I am sad for you because you know God says it is better never to have known him than to have known him and left him. You don't know how lucky you are to have a God who would die like that for you, while the rest of humanity is dying to try to get to their gods. The saddest part is whatever happened to you to make you Christ haters won't matter when your soul is hanging in the balance. You look for facts, he see's your faith. Who has bewitched you oh foolish Galatians. The letter kills it is the spirit who gives live. Your brokenness caused you to run away from rather than towards God. If your conversion from Jesus was valid you could have ran alone, but people feel better in a company of miserable people. The best thing is, He'll take you back. So I am going to put my faith up against your facts and one day I will watch you renounce your anti-christishness. The night is far spent and the day is coming. You should take a trip to where I have been and watched Christians die for the Christ who never gave them a car, house, money or whatever your whining about. They died believing just that GOD is and he is a rewarder of them that seek him. You didn't get your way and you got mad, poled. But even spoiled kids come home when play time is over. Will your factual hatred save your family or your children when you need faith. NOPE! He has a way of bringing us back to him. Ill see you in heaven my brother, I believe God for all of your safe returns home.<BR/>Ps Satans trying t debunk Jesus for ever dude...he can't do it either and I know he gets frustrated trying. It must suck for satan to be the bastard child now lol...why don't you spend some time debunking him. If you don't beleive in Jesus I dare you to go after Satan, I bet you'll beleive Jesus when he's done with ya'll.throughmyeyeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00732947612077030246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-73197170042849818882007-12-31T11:04:00.000-05:002007-12-31T11:04:00.000-05:00Interesting passage I found in Hebrews..."It is im...Interesting passage I found in Hebrews...<BR/>"It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, WHO HAVE SHARED IN THE HOLY SPIRIT, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, IF THEY FALL AWAY, to be BROUGHT BACK TO REPENTANCE, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace." Hebrews 6:4-6Lawrencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01816114792006900826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-26827262615101850212007-06-20T15:15:00.000-04:002007-06-20T15:15:00.000-04:00The best debunker of the "Once Saved, Always Saved...The best debunker of the "Once Saved, Always Saved" doctrine is common sense and logic.<BR/>How can you "fall away" from something to which you were never "attached" to begin with?<BR/>This peculiar teaching renders Paul's warnings to Christians about apostasy utterly meaningless.<BR/>See "Once Saved, Always Saved? Sign Me Up!" www.webspawner.com/users/eternalosas/index.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-23096257972435027222007-06-06T17:24:00.000-04:002007-06-06T17:24:00.000-04:00TEC,I don't seem to understand you. So if a person...TEC,<BR/><BR/>I don't seem to understand you. So if a person goes to church and continually asks to for forgiveness, all the while praying to God for more faith, as he reads and understands the world around him; you would still say that this person is not or was not a true Christian? <BR/>What can a person, which God created, do other than ask his creator to anoint him with the blessing of more faith? If I followed your argument, I would say the blame would lie with God as to why these people have walked away. They seek and learn. They fast and pray. They want God to comfort them because they need comforting due to all the doubt in them. If he does not answer that prayer it is in himMichaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06259137356946877274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-61528899030586204112007-05-13T12:23:00.000-04:002007-05-13T12:23:00.000-04:00Anonymous on Jan. 16 says:I was an athiest once un...Anonymous on Jan. 16 says:<BR/><BR/><I>I was an athiest once until God proved me wrong about that. I tried to prove Him wrong but He just kept loving me, as He does you guys, and then, remarkably, He set about forging a real and incredibly meaningful relationship with me. (to my utter amazement). Is this imaginery? Absolutely not. Am I fanciful or reaching out for false hope? Absolutely not. Have I got some incurable fear of hell that keeps me from not believing in God? No, what drives my faith is that each day I discover incredible things about His love for others and His "unfathomable nature". Actually God tells us very very clearly that His nature is actually "fathomable" if we are brave enough to venture out and discover it.</I><BR/><BR/>I don't believe God actually did any such thing. I think you successfully brainwashed yourself with the enthusiastic help of your Christian friends. If you had any verifiable evidence of a "real" relationship (hint: "real" means "part of reality," not "something I just made up"), you certainly did not present it here. <BR/><BR/>I invite you to present verifiable evidence that your assertions are true. In the meantime, I will go on assuming you are a pathetic, self-deluding wishful thinker like all other Christians (including myself when I was one).Speedwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03183564986255249281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-51329507390836170762007-04-19T06:12:00.000-04:002007-04-19T06:12:00.000-04:00Why do you feel you have to psychoanalyze me? I co...Why do you feel you have to psychoanalyze me? I could do that with you too. The issue stands or falls on the truth. I really no longer believe, and I am sharing the reasons why I no longer believe here at DC. Deal with the arguments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-71393646045131960192007-04-19T03:15:00.000-04:002007-04-19T03:15:00.000-04:00Too bad you are prostituting your spirituality for...Too bad you are prostituting your spirituality for a little fame and $$$. A rather shortsighted investment?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-72635314602406719682007-04-19T03:11:00.000-04:002007-04-19T03:11:00.000-04:00looks like a slick way to sell your books!looks like a slick way to sell your books!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-28948103475188737442007-03-19T09:50:00.000-04:002007-03-19T09:50:00.000-04:00Dear sirs,The "once saved, always saved" doctrine ...Dear sirs,<BR/><BR/>The "once saved, always saved" doctrine is not debunked by the fact that people who once saw themselves as Christians no longer see themselves as such. It simply means that they might not have been Christians to begin with; one may go to church for decades and not be saved. <BR/><BR/>I hope your questions about Christianity will be answered, as I see that you are voicing your doubts out of a real desire for the truth. However, I also hope that you will weigh the arguments you will encounter objectively and logically. All the best.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-24325154597347032742007-02-22T11:16:00.000-05:002007-02-22T11:16:00.000-05:00Well I for one have no desire to spend 'eternity' ...Well I for one have no desire to spend 'eternity' worshiping at the feet of our egotistical creator. I'd rather enjoy myself with the life I've been given to do with as I wish, and bugger eternity to hell. :o)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-70776793721596476342007-02-16T10:22:00.000-05:002007-02-16T10:22:00.000-05:00My dear friend,I am not sure that the term "former...My dear friend,<BR/><BR/>I am not sure that the term "former Christian" can actually exist. Romans 8:39 paints a wonderful picture for us. Those of us who screw up, those of us make mistakes... It is sometimes referred to as the "golden chain" FOREKNEW, PREDESTINED, CALLED, JUSTIFIED, GLORIFIED. All those wonderful verbs, the even better part is that the noun HE is before all of them. God did it all God saved us from our sin, and all this <BR/>is past tense.<BR/><BR/>Anyway you said no sermons! Verse 39 says ..."nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Once saved always saved so again you cannot shed true Christianity. They type of Christianity that is found in Christ Jesus. <BR/><BR/>American Christianity... I was born in America, I listen to country music, I go to 1st (insert denomination)church of any town, USA.or the I walked the aisle when I was 2,3,6, and after I smoked dope because I felt bad, Christianity, can be shed like dirty underwear. <BR/><BR/>So friend if you made a TRUE commitment to Jesus Christ then I am excited to say you are still one and the pretense of you title is non-existent. Although I do have to say that it is catchy.<BR/><BR/>Like you have asked, I assume, for people to consider your view. I ask you to consider mine. What if I am wrong? Ok so I led a good life, I trusted in something that was fulfilling, and joyful. Something that made overseas deployment in the middle of combat and thousands of miles away from my wife that much easier to swallow.<BR/><BR/>However if you are wrong there is an eternity waiting for you. An eternity full of punishment... I am sure you have heard all the descriptions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1170325284413546722007-02-01T05:21:00.000-05:002007-02-01T05:21:00.000-05:00Although most of us are brought up in Christian ho...Although most of us are brought up in Christian homes,unlike islam as adults no one forces us to believe or not to believe.Christianity does not mean anything without the free will and the personal efforts we put to believe in Jesus.We will be judged not by how many times we went to church or prayed or did good to others.God sees through our hearts and of what substance we're made of.So Christianity cannot be indoctrinated period,you are a proof to that.You are fallen into the hands of the manipulative devil-the evil one is not stupid,he plays tricks on your intellect and deceives you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1170280744038431092007-01-31T16:59:00.000-05:002007-01-31T16:59:00.000-05:00I am said to read about you but I am not as said a...I am said to read about you but I am not as said as when I hear that christians convert to islam.In the case of those who prefer islam,I can see that they do not like the freedom of Christian worship,they prefer to be treated like children-to be told what to do such as to pray 5 times a day,to fast during ramadan,to dress a certain style.<BR/>In your case-I think it is arrogance.You seem to think you are so wise you do not need God or the gift of salvation through Jesus Christ.I am so sorry that you are atheists or agnostics or whatever.I hope God will guide you and bring you back.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1168959349928354732007-01-16T09:55:00.000-05:002007-01-16T09:55:00.000-05:00Well well well, what have I stumbled onto !? I wa...Well well well, what have I stumbled onto !? I was an athiest once until God proved me wrong about that. I tried to prove Him wrong but He just kept loving me, as He does you guys, and then, remarkably, He set about forging a real and incredibly meaningful relationship with me. (to my utter amazement). Is this imaginery? Absolutely not. Am I fanciful or reaching out for false hope? Absolutely not. Have I got some incurable fear of hell that keeps me from not believing in God? No, what drives my faith is that each day I discover incredible things about His love for others and His "unfathomable nature". Actually God tells us very very clearly that His nature is actually "fathomable" if we are brave enough to venture out and discover it. The issue of suffering and evil is something I've looked at logically from both sides of the coin. The reality is we live in both a cruel and unforgiving world and we live in an awe inspiring and incredibly beautiful world. My glass isn't half empty so I will always polarise to the latter, however we must never deny the former as it is in this world that if you have a heart to do so, we can affect the most change for the better. You see, whilst we are debating the existence of God and the problem of evil people are starving and people need your help and need to see a practical extension of God's love, in whatever form. (incidently, anyone is capable of doing that, whether 'thiest' or athiest, whatever they may be.) ie: I don't think God pays too much attention to titles such as these, He just loves His people and has layed down His life for them and desperately wants them to 'go and do good, stop arguing and go make a difference!' I said a brief farewell today to some friends who were off to a remote village in The Sudan (a war torn country if there ever was one, with human suffering beyond imagination). The reason for 12 people to spend alot of money each as well as their personal time is becuase they simply want to help create some quality of life to a remote village without easily accessible water and without any real solid building structure. So these people are going there to partner with this particular tribe to build a multipurpose building that will be used for their primary needs. These being education, hospilisation and general health management and worship. Yes, these remote villagers fully believe in the God of the Bible. (and please don't assume they are primitive or uneducated to believe such a thing. This would demean them, they are valueable and terrific people). A well will be dug in time and a rain water tank will be installed alongside this multipurpose building. This village is living in abject poverty and they are deeply moved that a small group of people would be brave enough to come across from Australia and risk life and limb to help these forgoten ones(they have to be on the look out constantly for local bandits, etc). But such is the love of some people for others they have never met that they would in fact do this. Are they 'bleeding hearts' hopelessly misguided? No, they are highly intelligent loving people who know what they want in life. They want to share their resources and skills with ones far less fortunate. They want to share the love of Christ in a most practical way, even if they never spoke a word about Him. Note: They are NOT going there to preach in any way, but to love others unconditionally (and to work incredibly hard to meet a 10 day dealine to get all of this done!).<BR/>So why the arguements guys?? God’s really not that interested in your arguments, He’s interested in your hearts. Let's all get a life and go make a difference!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1166791347907745142006-12-22T07:42:00.000-05:002006-12-22T07:42:00.000-05:00You are making simple things complicated. The mar...You are making simple things complicated. The mark of a Christian is not only confessional but enduring. 'Be thou faithful unto death and I will give thee the crown of life'. By all means join the history of attacks on Christ (though you seem to struggle to think beyond the USA) but do not pretend that you were Christian when your blog proves the opposite. If Judas could be so near and yet so far, you most certainly could have been. <BR/><BR/>Your answer to a similar point above seems to be 'I hear you but reject it'. What kind of rational answer is that? Can you not see that if keeping the faith is a mark of true faith it debunks your debunking? Or rather it simply means that you are an atheist with an insider's insight and a grudge.<BR/><BR/>Well, I was more of an atheist than you'll ever be, and I'll tell you that the more of it you get the more emptiness you're going to find.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1166501763516213142006-12-18T23:16:00.000-05:002006-12-18T23:16:00.000-05:00Wow. Let me first say that I am a Christian myself...Wow. Let me first say that I am a Christian myself. However, I am amazed at the conversation here. I think some of the things you are discussing are very interesting. I like to think of myself as a left-wing believer. I tend to see less black and white than the traditional Christian. I think it is sad that alot of Christians are obviously threatened by your ideas. I will be the first to say that I don't know everything about the Bible, Jesus, God, The Holy Spirit, etc. However, I always found in the past that people get uptight when they don't have solid grounding on what they believe. I hope that people will take a moment to chill and read everything you have to say. If they are not threatened by it, then they will seek out the truth by hearing both sides and make their decision. I just think it is impossible for either side of the discussion to every "win" in a debate. Both have to deal with faith - one, the lack of faith and the other, the denial of faith. Faith is a debate all by itself. I am personally not bothered by your ideas or your personal opinions. I have friends who are preachers and friends who are complete athiest and even a few who have no freakin' idea what they are. Ha. <BR/>Anyway, I just thought I would say thank you for letting me have the opportunity to comment. I really had nothing "deep" to say other than communication is where understanding "begins" - not where it ends. I hope that other Christians will read carefully what you have to say and search for themselves. I appreciate the way you communicate your point. I have yet to see anything from you that I felt like was a personal attack on Christians or Christianity - just your thoughts and oppinions based on your personal thoughts, understandings and views. I appreciate your views.<BR/>Thanks,<BR/>JBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1166159532619934732006-12-15T00:12:00.000-05:002006-12-15T00:12:00.000-05:00What a ridiculous question. How can you make judg...What a ridiculous question. How can you make judgement about who was and wasn't "really" a Christian? And if I may add, who are you to even ask such a question? Did your "God" give you the right to question a person's faith?<BR/>Like the bloggers on this site (which is wonderful I might add), I "was" a Christian too, growing up in a Pentacostal Church in Long Beach, CA. I asked Jesus into my heart twice when I was 12, as I was scared that it didn't "take" the first time.<BR/>I fully lost my faith around 23, after concluding that if the Christian God makes it *possible* for Adolf Hitler, convicted murderers, priests who rape little kids, Christian KKK members who bomb churches, and everyone's favorite bigot Pat Robertson to go to heaven, then I don't want to go there.<BR/>The bar is substantially lowered for these people, and I have no interest in going to a place where they are allowed. I also have no respect for the man who let them in.<BR/>For you Christians who are on the edge, don't be afraid to THINK. Don't align yourself with a religion which at it's heart is bigoted and discriminatory.<BR/><BR/>Wonderful blog you guys/gals have here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1166138199588053142006-12-14T18:16:00.000-05:002006-12-14T18:16:00.000-05:00Valuablecrop, I know why you think the way you do....Valuablecrop, I know why you think the way you do. I just reject it. <BR/><BR/>If you end up in unbelief someday in the future, someone will say the same things about how you feel now. How will that make you feel for someone to say YOU were never a Christian in the first place? That exactly how we feel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1166126872232380292006-12-14T15:07:00.000-05:002006-12-14T15:07:00.000-05:00James_so, what do you have against reading? Oh, it...James_so, what do you have against reading? Oh, it's anti-Christian literature you're against, right? But if you never read the opposing side, then can you truly claim to have an informed faith? How do you know if you're correct in your beliefs if you never take the time to seriously consider the views of those who disagree?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1166125427230277222006-12-14T14:43:00.000-05:002006-12-14T14:43:00.000-05:00No James, it is the authors of the various books o...No James, it is the authors of the various books of the Bible who are fallible.Tommykeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14751182125861177379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1166124563435423462006-12-14T14:29:00.000-05:002006-12-14T14:29:00.000-05:00john and your ideas are nothing new. You read them...john and your ideas are nothing new. You read them in some other literature that you use for your circular reasoning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1166122545432568412006-12-14T13:55:00.000-05:002006-12-14T13:55:00.000-05:00Well, that anti-Christian literature is something ...Well, that anti-Christian literature is something that I personally wrote, for one. ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com