tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post116586109396921361..comments2023-12-01T18:05:24.875-05:00Comments on Debunking Christianity: How to Be An Apologist For Christianity and For SkepticismUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1166065809746601992006-12-13T22:10:00.000-05:002006-12-13T22:10:00.000-05:00It's the classic Christian circular argument. It'...It's the classic Christian circular argument. It's true because the Bible says so. Beginning and end of story. Sigh....<BR/><BR/>I've said it before and I will say it again. The Bible is not the word of God. The God of the Bible does not exist. Jesus was not born from a virgin, he did not rise from the dead, and he was not the son of the creator of the universe. We do not have souls that are in danger of suffering for an eternity in some nasty place because we don't believe the claims of the Bible. Thomas and Neo, get your heads out of the mental prison of the Bible and wake the hell up!Tommykeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14751182125861177379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1166030343875979192006-12-13T12:19:00.000-05:002006-12-13T12:19:00.000-05:00john it doesen't appear thomas4881 had any blinder...john it doesen't appear thomas4881 had any blinders on. I see he shows he is willing to accept any and all objections to Christianity. It is you who kicked that guy off your blog because your conscience convicts you and you coulden't take it anymore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1165979715481808942006-12-12T22:15:00.000-05:002006-12-12T22:15:00.000-05:00Hallq,But the aliens told me you'd say that!Hallq,<BR/><BR/>But the aliens told me you'd say that!tnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18150533469330483877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1165973764889918102006-12-12T20:36:00.000-05:002006-12-12T20:36:00.000-05:00Guys, after the third round of comments it should ...Guys, after the third round of comments it should havebeen obvious that you weren't going to get a productive conversation out of him.<BR/><BR/>Though we did get to see an amusing defense mechanism on display when he claimed that the fact that people think he's ignorant is evidence of Christianity... what he doesn't know is that an exactly papallel apologetic could be made for UFO cults, since some of the leaders in those groups have claimed that the aliens told them that humans tend to ridicule great truths they don't understand.The Uncredible Hallqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09565179884099473943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1165961738355212672006-12-12T17:15:00.000-05:002006-12-12T17:15:00.000-05:00Thomas, you have blinders on.Thomas, <A HREF="http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/2006/10/christians-do-you-have-blinders-on.html" REL="nofollow">you have blinders on</A>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1165960901170531152006-12-12T17:01:00.000-05:002006-12-12T17:01:00.000-05:00Thomas,Let's say you're right about one thing -- t...Thomas,<BR/><BR/>Let's say you're right about one thing -- that the message is foolishness to John.<BR/><BR/>Is it foolish because God has not granted John the mercy of regeneration? If so, can you blame John for calling foolishness what it is? If God has given John a brain, and if Rom 11:8 applies here, then why, exactly, would you expect anything else? Why should John NOT call foolishness what it is?<BR/><BR/>Could I appeal to you and say, "Here is something that you regard as foolish, X. Now, if you don't believe in and accept the reality and truth of X, despite its foolishness, you will perish. Oh, what, you reject it? Aha! I knew you would, and my super-duper magic book told me you would!" ??<BR/><BR/>Perhaps you should think about that -- atheists would call your beliefs foolish not because they are being unreasonable, but because they are being reasonable. God chose it thus (cf 1 Cor 2-3).nsflhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04129382545589470620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1165958954861833062006-12-12T16:29:00.000-05:002006-12-12T16:29:00.000-05:00John said: Thomas, you are ignorant even though yo...John said: <BR/><BR/>Thomas, you are ignorant even though you don't know it. You are taking up space here that other more informed Christians could be using. Get a college education and then come back to us. No more comments from you, sorry. None. <BR/><BR/><BR/>See John you do as the Bible says you will do. Your every response is text book. <BR/><BR/>1 Corinthians 15: 18For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written: <BR/> "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; <BR/> the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."[a] <BR/> 20Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.<BR/><BR/>Proverbs 14:Fools mock at making amends for sin<BR/><BR/>See John? Your text book responses are not unexpected because the Bible says you think that way because of your unredeemed nature.thomas4881https://www.blogger.com/profile/12337348235222023630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1165958682927596772006-12-12T16:24:00.000-05:002006-12-12T16:24:00.000-05:00Drunken said:1. John practiced idolotry (begging t...Drunken said:<BR/><BR/><BR/>1. John practiced idolotry (begging the question: How do you know that your god isn't the idol?),<BR/><BR/>I know because I'm operating from the Biblica world view. You are operating from your presumptions as well.thomas4881https://www.blogger.com/profile/12337348235222023630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1165949873328698152006-12-12T13:57:00.000-05:002006-12-12T13:57:00.000-05:00Thomas, you are ignorant even though you don't kno...Thomas, you are ignorant even though you don't know it. You are taking up space here that other more informed Christians could be using. Get a college education and then come back to us. No more comments from you, sorry. None.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1165947919091980122006-12-12T13:25:00.000-05:002006-12-12T13:25:00.000-05:00thomas4881,I read your posts and found no substanc...thomas4881,<BR/><BR/>I read your posts and found no substance to your comments. Your 'response' was to insult both John and Bruce, claiming that <BR/><BR/>1. John practiced idolotry (begging the question: How do you know that <I>your</I> god isn't the idol?),<BR/> <BR/>2. John "hate[s]" God (though John does not believe in the Christian god), <BR/><BR/>3. John formed "straw men" (which you failed to elaborate on),<BR/><BR/>4. Bruce wasn't "netural [sic] and innocent", and<BR/><BR/>5. Bruce doesn't think for himself.<BR/><BR/>That's the gist of it. I don't see a response other than personal attacks.<BR/><BR/>So are you trying to make an argument or do you just get your kicks attacking Bruce and John?tnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18150533469330483877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1165947258669474792006-12-12T13:14:00.000-05:002006-12-12T13:14:00.000-05:00drunken tune explain what you mean? I did respond ...drunken tune explain what you mean? I did respond to the question posted and I expanded my response to include other thoughts.thomas4881https://www.blogger.com/profile/12337348235222023630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1165946604407249012006-12-12T13:03:00.000-05:002006-12-12T13:03:00.000-05:00thomas4881,Well, no. You didn't give any reasons f...thomas4881,<BR/><BR/>Well, no. You didn't give any reasons for your claims; you didn't respond to his arguments.tnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18150533469330483877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1165946424326735342006-12-12T13:00:00.000-05:002006-12-12T13:00:00.000-05:00drunken said:Are you trying to make an argument or...drunken said:<BR/><BR/>Are you trying to make an argument or do you just get your kicks attacking Bruce and John? <BR/><BR/>I don't consider it an attack since I provided sound reasoning. I did respond to the claims made against Christianity.thomas4881https://www.blogger.com/profile/12337348235222023630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1165946315568825602006-12-12T12:58:00.000-05:002006-12-12T12:58:00.000-05:00bruce said:So being skeptical of Chrisianity is no...bruce said:<BR/><BR/>So being skeptical of Chrisianity is now "Anti-Christian"? <BR/><BR/>Thomas4881 said:<BR/><BR/>So being skeptical of the anti-christian literature you read is now "anti-intellectual"?thomas4881https://www.blogger.com/profile/12337348235222023630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1165946152105745702006-12-12T12:55:00.000-05:002006-12-12T12:55:00.000-05:00thomas4881,Are you trying to make an argument or d...thomas4881,<BR/><BR/>Are you trying to make an argument or do you just get your kicks attacking Bruce and John?tnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18150533469330483877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1165883673766192722006-12-11T19:34:00.000-05:002006-12-11T19:34:00.000-05:00bruce you diden't think up these cleaver skeptical...bruce you diden't think up these cleaver skeptical questions on your own and you diden't think them up based on neutrality. Don't try to claim you're netural and innocent.thomas4881https://www.blogger.com/profile/12337348235222023630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1165882233687188232006-12-11T19:10:00.000-05:002006-12-11T19:10:00.000-05:00so you read some anti-christian literature written...<I>so you read some anti-christian literature written by one fallable author with bad reaserch</I><BR/><BR/>So being skeptical of Chrisianity is now "Anti-Christian"?Brucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11338993634025153018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1165880081674202902006-12-11T18:34:00.000-05:002006-12-11T18:34:00.000-05:00I have looked over them and I don't see anything o...I have looked over them and I don't see anything other than a lot of pressupositions making up straw men.thomas4881https://www.blogger.com/profile/12337348235222023630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1165879758946932182006-12-11T18:29:00.000-05:002006-12-11T18:29:00.000-05:00Thomas, I suspect you haven't read my other Blog e...Thomas, I suspect you haven't read my <A HREF="http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/2006/02/johns-posts.html" REL="nofollow">other Blog entries</A>. Read them and then get back to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1165879539516817312006-12-11T18:25:00.000-05:002006-12-11T18:25:00.000-05:00John so you read some anti-christian literature wr...John so you read some anti-christian literature written by one fallable author with bad reaserch. That's what you put faith in to try and justify to yourself you made the right decision. The point is you haven't shown any good reason from any angle to not believe the Bible. The Bible does tell me good reasons for why you do what you do. That is the amazing thing about the Bible. You do as the Bible says you will do.thomas4881https://www.blogger.com/profile/12337348235222023630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1165879347255182242006-12-11T18:22:00.000-05:002006-12-11T18:22:00.000-05:00Thomas, I don't believe the Bible for many reasons...Thomas, I don't believe the Bible for many reasons that I state here every week. Would you please deal with those objections rather than to merely assert I hate God?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1165879194124103792006-12-11T18:19:00.000-05:002006-12-11T18:19:00.000-05:00John it's not a delustion. You created a God to su...John it's not a delustion. You created a God to suit yourself, that's idolotry. The God I'm talking about that you hate as shown by your lifestyle is the God of the Bible.thomas4881https://www.blogger.com/profile/12337348235222023630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1165878329082108422006-12-11T18:05:00.000-05:002006-12-11T18:05:00.000-05:00anonymous, no I don't hate God. That's just one of...anonymous, no I don't hate God. That's just one of the delusions your faith has. I do dislike ignorance. I would honestly love it if I could have something solid to believe which has enough evidence to it. I tentatively hold to atheism because it's the best I can make out of the available evidence.<BR/><BR/>No more anonymous comments. I don't know if it's the same person I'm responding to, here there and everywhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1165875326364209672006-12-11T17:15:00.000-05:002006-12-11T17:15:00.000-05:00It's not a "claim" that you hate God when you do e...It's not a "claim" that you hate God when you do evil deeds and don't trust in Christ. The Bible says you hate God since you reject Jesus Christ who sent from God and you do evil deeds. So you're working from the Biblical world view and in that case you do hate God and it's a fact. Don't try to pretend you're working from neutrality and are innocent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1165863022694750802006-12-11T13:50:00.000-05:002006-12-11T13:50:00.000-05:00I think Craig's behavior in his debate with Ehrman...I think Craig's behavior in his debate with Ehrman would be more accurately described as "invoke jargon that doesn't actually affect the debate but which your opponent cannot reasonably be expected to understand."The Uncredible Hallqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09565179884099473943noreply@blogger.com