tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post115087658796651298..comments2023-12-01T18:05:24.875-05:00Comments on Debunking Christianity: Good Old Christian Morals!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-24001763474044227002013-03-13T08:04:46.065-04:002013-03-13T08:04:46.065-04:00So one man suffered on a cross and now because he ...So one man suffered on a cross and now because he died we have to serve him. Don't count the others that died before him. They don't matter. Because he died once we have to serve him. Fuck you god. You're such a phony. Religion was made to control. I just wish I could meet the genious mother fuckers who came up with this scheme. Assholes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1162463235657500572006-11-02T05:27:00.000-05:002006-11-02T05:27:00.000-05:00God is STILL murderous, bloodthirsty sadistic kill...God is STILL murderous, bloodthirsty sadistic killer!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1151181795038485052006-06-24T16:43:00.000-04:002006-06-24T16:43:00.000-04:00The thing you fail to realize is, the best behaved...The thing you fail to realize is, the best behaved Christian is no more righteous than the worst behaved non-Christian by his own merit. It is only because Christ lived perfectly and died as the ultimate sacrifice that people appear righteous at the judgment. No one is good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1151003877500542632006-06-22T15:17:00.000-04:002006-06-22T15:17:00.000-04:00"The Church is a hospital for sinners, not a museu..."The Church is a hospital for sinners, not a museum for Saints"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1150995180508382672006-06-22T12:53:00.000-04:002006-06-22T12:53:00.000-04:00Brit guy,I just must respond to your post. You la...Brit guy,<BR/><BR/>I just must respond to your post. You laid so many of my questions to rest with your insights, thank you for taking the time and thoughtfully giving to us.paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04437206493901034134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1150930884325829032006-06-21T19:01:00.000-04:002006-06-21T19:01:00.000-04:00I don't have a high level of tolerance for ignoran...I don't have a high level of tolerance for ignorance posing as intelligence. Even now you claim that what I want to ban is dissent. That too is stupid. Again, dissent is welcome, but you continually make stupid comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1150928595495805242006-06-21T18:23:00.000-04:002006-06-21T18:23:00.000-04:001) I didn't say all civilizations without Christia...1) I didn't say all civilizations without Christian influence were necessarily horrible. Whether or not my ignorance prevents me from responding intelligently as you suppose, if you want to critique me it will help you to respond to what I actually said.<BR/><BR/>2) If your new editorial policy is simply to ban dissent, then by all means, go ahead and block my account. Because I expect I'm going to continue to dissent from quite a bit of what is posted here.Kaffinatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146781661881693212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1150927888775853492006-06-21T18:11:00.000-04:002006-06-21T18:11:00.000-04:00Kaffinator, don't you have something better to do ...Kaffinator, don't you have something better to do than to waste our time with your ignorance? There are Christians who can respond intelligently to our questions. You don't. Now go away. Graduate from High School and take a few college classes before you come back. There have been a great many civilizations down through the history of the world that had no Christian influence at all, and they are called great civilizations by all standards of their day. Now leave.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1150926637851679522006-06-21T17:50:00.000-04:002006-06-21T17:50:00.000-04:00> It is my point that morals and ethics are incorp...> <I>It is my point that morals and ethics are incorporated into religions for the good of societies because religion can spread desired moral behaviors to large groups of people within a society, therfore benefitting society as a whole.</I><BR/><BR/>So you are saying that in general, we begin with desired moral behaviors, then we create a religion which codifies them, which then benefits society. Sounds nice, but the last time anybody attempted this, it was called communism, and it was a miserable failure. And by "failure" I don't mean "lost a game of checkers" but rather, millions of deaths and the utter collapse of a world superpower all in a few generations.<BR/><BR/>Christianity on the other hand appeared <I>before</I> it was codified into a secular empire at large (the Roman empire). The beliefs of Christianity weren't designed for the purpose of improving Roman society, in fact, Roman society actually <I>fought</I> Christianity for hundreds of years before adopting it.<BR/><BR/>Religion, when created and used as a tool to shape society, is invariably misused by those in power, and tends to result in horrific abuses. But Christianity, when pursued as a matter of good conscience before God, tends to produce model citizens.Kaffinatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146781661881693212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1150916373451898002006-06-21T14:59:00.000-04:002006-06-21T14:59:00.000-04:00The question of "where do you get your morals?" co...The question of "where do you get your morals?" comes up over and over again when christians are in debate with atheists. Even before christianity, society needed general guidelines to live by in order to try to maintain a safe and orderly environment in which to live. The most important human moral issues arise for most ethicists when human beings come together and begin to conflict with one another. Even though Jewish and Christian ethical systems, for example, importune human beings to love and obey their god, both faiths, in all of their divisions and sects, yet violate their ethical systems repeatedly and many times, violently. It is my point that morals and ethics are incorporated into religions for the good of societies because religion can spread desired moral behaviors to large groups of people within a society, therfore benefitting society as a whole. (This is sort of like the chicken and the egg question.)Stardusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10560872454564355114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1150912027550682772006-06-21T13:47:00.000-04:002006-06-21T13:47:00.000-04:00CFisher: It seems your problem is so much with Chr...CFisher: <I>It seems your problem is so much with Christ or Christianity as it is with Christians, and more specifically, American Christians.</I><BR/><BR/>The Christian system of faith can be judged by whether or not it makes a difference in someone's life, since it alone claims that God the Spirit resides in a Christian's life. It can be judged whether it makes a difference at all in Christians in general. <BR/><BR/><I>To build a case against Christianity, you should attack it's basic principles. Show how things like "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" and so forth, are bad for individuals and society in general. </I><BR/><BR/>This is a good challenge. Michael Martin in <I>The Case Against Christianity</I> has done so, in chapter 6 "Christian Ethics." I'll share some of these things here before too long.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1150909063613879842006-06-21T12:57:00.000-04:002006-06-21T12:57:00.000-04:00I'm not sure what you hope to prove with this line...I'm not sure what you hope to prove with this line of reasoning. Pulling a bad or hypocritical Christian out of the crowd does nothing to debunk Christianity. It is the equivalent of pointing at a psychiatrist who breaks doctor/patient confidentiality as proof that psychiatry is invalid as a medical practice. <BR/><BR/>It seems your problem is so much with Christ or Christianity as it is with <I>Christians,</I> and more specifically, <I>American</I> Christians.<BR/><BR/>To build a case against Christianity, you should attack it's basic principles. Show how things like "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" and so forth, are bad for individuals and society in general.CFisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01434394105452136924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1150906077833394982006-06-21T12:07:00.000-04:002006-06-21T12:07:00.000-04:00Sattivic..."i think it would be WONDERFUL for the ...Sattivic...<BR/><BR/>"i think it would be WONDERFUL for the most part if we didnt HAVE religion, and other peoples dogma, infused with tactics of fear and self loathing, as taught by these horrid organizations..."<BR/><BR/>So instead of their dogma, you would prefer we have yours? On what authority to you demand my obeisance to your perspective?<BR/><BR/>Holman,<BR/><BR/>Good post. Christian apologists who commit the "stupid fish eaters" fallacy deserve a rap on the knuckles. Someone who claims that Christianity benefits the world should be able to back that up with, for example, studies that show how Christians give more of their time and money to good causes, or explain how it was Christian believers who brought about an end to slavery, or show how it was Christendom that originally put western science and medicine on their present successful course, etc.<BR/><BR/>That poor Brad fellow you described is missing something. It's not his beliefs that are causing all of that bad behavior, it is his lack of adherence to them. Nobody in his church is discipling him and that's a crime.<BR/><BR/>I must take issue with this point though:<BR/><BR/>> <I>Quite honestly, Brad well represents the moral integrity of the average Christian.</I><BR/><BR/>The "average Christian" has been arrested for rioting, weasels his way out of due punishment, and cheats on his wife multiple times? I think you're way over the top here.Kaffinatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146781661881693212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1150904979797340162006-06-21T11:49:00.000-04:002006-06-21T11:49:00.000-04:00im a christian who was raised protestant with all ...im a christian who was raised protestant with all of the total depravity stuff, blah blah blah. man is no good, amoral.<BR/>after receiving a degree in Catholic historical theology, i began to wonder if that doctrine were true. <BR/>my question for you, who said that man is a "pretty good creature by nature" is: looking around at the world today, are you really convinced that man is good?<BR/>this is not an argument on my part; i am genuinely interested in your, and in other atheists' opinions on why the world BLOWS. wars, pedophiles, etc. and make no mistake, Christians play a large role in all of it. which leads me to believe that, indeed, we all suck.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1150900778938399972006-06-21T10:39:00.000-04:002006-06-21T10:39:00.000-04:00good post . thanks for sharing.i think it would b...good post . thanks for sharing.<BR/>i think it would be WONDERFUL for the most part if we didnt HAVE religion, and other peoples dogma, infused with tactics of fear and self loathing, as taught by these horrid organizations , then it would give rise to man searching his own spirituality , and most likely would find out he is a pretty good creature by nature.sattvicwarriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12223480813668927698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1150896622889698232006-06-21T09:30:00.000-04:002006-06-21T09:30:00.000-04:00Many years ago, when my husband and I were still ...Many years ago, when my husband and I were still christians, we enrolled our children in a Lutheran school since we believed that would give them a better "moral" foundation for life. That was their advertisement...their "devout" staff and teachers, and so on. The pastor there was firm and very strict. He would tell stories at school chapel time about doing god's will, and to obey the ten commandments, etc. while wide-eyed kids listened to his words then went back to their classrooms to memorize bible verses and to continue their "christian" education. <BR/><BR/>Well, about a year or so into their schooling there, a big scandal arose. It leaked out that this pious pastor was having an affair with the second grade teacher! The second grade teacher's husband was the fifth grade teacher, and then the pastor's wife was the kindergarten teacher! This was a small school, only one teacher/classroom per grade, so half the school was affected when one teacher was fired, two left out of embarrassment of their spouses, and a whole congregation was affected by the excommunication of their pastor. Trying to explain why three teachers and a pastor all suddenly left at once to young children, and even the older ones was very difficult. This was probably the beginning of our questioning the relationship of religion and morality.<BR/><BR/>We now realize religion is not necessary to have morals and values.Stardusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10560872454564355114noreply@blogger.com