tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post114981036490685021..comments2023-12-01T18:05:24.875-05:00Comments on Debunking Christianity: No Magic Bullets!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1150563882172548032006-06-17T13:04:00.000-04:002006-06-17T13:04:00.000-04:00I think Obi Won said it best, that many of the tru...I think Obi Won said it best, that many of the truths we hold to depend on our point of view. There are no magic bullets for either side of the debate. You can look at all that we see in our universe and say it is all by chance, and explain through the scientific process how the universe came into existance without a Creator. You can also look at how precise things have to be to foster life and say it was by design, The earth a certain distance from the sun, the moon having to be that size and only one moon around a planet for life to exsist. All the many other factors that have to be a certain way for life to exsist can both be expained with or without the aide of a creator. A big problem with believing in the creation is that it is looked at as a single event instead of the true nature of creation which is a process. I don't know what the words in the ancient text of the bible were before translated but I beieve at some point, I can't back this up with solid proof but it is my opinion, the word period became day. As in the first creative period as opposed to the first day. It does change the creation story quite a bit in my opinion if this is the case. I don't think that God meant to hide his exsistance but to make it such that we do need to rely on faith to follow his plan of salvation to the end result. While you try to plant a seed of doubt about christian faith I try to plant a seed of doubt about atheism that maybe one day will lead you to the truth. It is a path that one must find on their own. If God were to make sure we did everything right and kept us all from sufering anything in this life he wouldn't be following his own plan and would efectivly take away our freedom. we are asked to endure to the end, endure pain, suffering, evil, ect until this trial of our faith is over and we make an accounting before God of our deeds wether they be good or bad. Contrary to the belief in many here he doesn't immediately remove our suffering ,disease and such upon asking him, but says endure these things for a short time and believe on his words, ask for forgivenss of our mistakes and keep on trying. He doesn't want anyone to go to eternal suffering. He wants us all to return to live with him and then be relieved of all suffering and pain, ect... many of the typical religious answers to problems are given because we too, like you, have no other explination but our belief tells us that God does have a reason and we think that somhow everyone should be happy with that answer because we believe it to be true. It will cause many to investigate their beliefs and they should continually. There is logic in Faith and belief in God and his gospel. There are freethinkers who are religious. Don't jsut right us all off as looneys. We try to do our best but we are human and make many mistakes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1150077506726867232006-06-11T21:58:00.000-04:002006-06-11T21:58:00.000-04:00Thank you and to your other contributors for takin...Thank you and to your other contributors for taking the time to speak about these important issues.<BR/><BR/>It is difficult to be an atheist in a rigidly defined religious world.<BR/><BR/>It is like being the one in "The Emperor's New Clothes" who admits that they can't see that supposedly beautiful suit that everyone one else insists is there.beepbeepitsmehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12931640447011071849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1149956161627596152006-06-10T12:16:00.000-04:002006-06-10T12:16:00.000-04:00""I am only eager to believe something that rings ...""I am only eager to believe something that rings of truth in my mind, as it 'clicks' along the way of inquiry."<BR/><BR/>Well, that would explain why you're an atheist."<BR/><BR/>Do explain this one to us, Christian. What makes YOU eager to believe something? How much you get "moved in the Holy Spirit"?<BR/><BR/>Instead of laughing, look at yourself in the mirror.Francois Tremblayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04760072622693359795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1149900565515452792006-06-09T20:49:00.000-04:002006-06-09T20:49:00.000-04:00Why are you offended at my thoughts? I have no ide...Why are you offended at my thoughts? I have no idea who you are, but from your writing, you don't strike me as anyone who emails me nibbling for answers on everything. <BR/><BR/>I have no problem with anyone requesting answers or help on matters, but I do with those who don't bother to do the thinking that they should do for themselves. They're the type to mooch off the atheist "big guns" and then tangle themselves up arguing with everyone. It's quite annoying. <BR/><BR/>Truth is, the people I'm talking about would not likely be reading this, but emailing someone and monopolizing that person's time on questions they refuse to study out. for themselves. <BR/><BR/>(JH)Joe E. Holmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10273702675019012966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1149892163033609792006-06-09T18:29:00.000-04:002006-06-09T18:29:00.000-04:00As one who wrote personally in this vein to a cont...As one who wrote personally in this vein to a contributor to this forum, tho' not JEHolman, and who received a thoughtful and useful reply, I am offended by JEHolman's thoughts in this matter.<BR/><BR/>I am not 'a newly-made atheist [or] agnostic' and neither am I too lazy to think this through myself. I have been known to spend a full half-hour on my doorstep 'arguing' with Evangelists as baiting Bible-bashing morons is the only blood-sport I regard as acceptable. I cannot speak for the authors of the other emails to which JEHolman referred but in my case I was merely asking if the contributors to this forum, with their superior experience and knowledge, could suggest any 'better' challenges to put to these morons than "What were Jesus' last words from the Cross?" or "How did Judas Iscariot die according to the Bible?"<BR/><BR/>I am not foolish enough to expect a doorstep conversion. All I can hope for is to plant a tiny seed of doubt which in combination with a thousand other such tiny, perhaps even unacknowledged seeds accumulated over months if not years will act like sand in a gear-box and eventually bring the sufferer to the point of having to accept there is something fundamentally wrong with what they believe and bring about a re-examination of it. Whether or not they actually do I don't give a damn. As JEHolman rightly points out it is up to them and only they can do it. Trying to plant that seed is all I can do and if anyone can think of a better, more irritating, substantial and conclusive seed than those I mentioned I'd delighted to hear of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1149874899791703062006-06-09T13:41:00.000-04:002006-06-09T13:41:00.000-04:00JH – I agree with you that the path to truth is a ...JH – I agree with you that the path to truth is a truly personal experience and forums like this blog are places people can go to talk about their thoughts and ideas about the truth. With anything in life there can be multiple different ways to get the job done. In essence I often wonder if there are multiple paths to the truth, a path for every person if you will.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, thanks for another thought provoking article.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1149874423351530502006-06-09T13:33:00.000-04:002006-06-09T13:33:00.000-04:00Wow Vadinci,"BANG"You just shot J.E. with a magic ...Wow Vadinci,<BR/><BR/>"BANG"<BR/><BR/>You just shot J.E. with a magic bullet.paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04437206493901034134noreply@blogger.com