tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post114253003237949335..comments2023-12-01T18:05:24.875-05:00Comments on Debunking Christianity: WWJD?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger100125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-69742957238763152582009-11-26T18:57:12.572-05:002009-11-26T18:57:12.572-05:00Bronxboy,
God says, "Veangence is mine I wil...Bronxboy,<br /><br />God says, "Veangence is mine I will repay. Rather, if your enemy is hungry feed him." God is perfect and has the right to judge. I'm not perfect and therefore I don't have the right to judge. Whoever has no sin cast the first stone. God being God has rights and prerogatives that I don't.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18342042981695750691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-88755930239882147312009-11-26T12:59:13.856-05:002009-11-26T12:59:13.856-05:00Mysterium Tremendum,
I don't believe in killi...Mysterium Tremendum,<br /><br />I don't believe in killing each other over religion.<br /><br /><br /><br />Why not? Your God certainly does.Bronxboy47https://www.blogger.com/profile/12820086206830534185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1320122326704043632009-11-26T09:58:59.693-05:002009-11-26T09:58:59.693-05:00Okay, I think I've got this hyperlink business...Okay, I think I've got this hyperlink business figured out. Sorry about all the deletions.<br /><br /><br />Christians assume their God is omnibenevolent without any real justification. I recommend they take a peek at this article on the Secular Web site:<a href="http://secweb.infidels.org/article804.html" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">Divine Deceit</a>Bronxboy47https://www.blogger.com/profile/12820086206830534185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-8297383947030014862009-11-26T09:27:57.305-05:002009-11-26T09:27:57.305-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Bronxboy47https://www.blogger.com/profile/12820086206830534185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-26610516870420723122009-11-26T09:02:35.360-05:002009-11-26T09:02:35.360-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Bronxboy47https://www.blogger.com/profile/12820086206830534185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-21568098594022012182009-11-24T17:52:05.890-05:002009-11-24T17:52:05.890-05:00Mysterium Tremendum,
Hi, it's me again. I wo...Mysterium Tremendum,<br /><br />Hi, it's me again. I would be interested reading your reaction to an article entitled Divine Deceit located on the Internet Infidels site: http://secweb.infidels.org/article804.html. Pay particular attention, if you would, to the article's 4th and 5th paragraphs. I don't expect that it will change your mind on the subject we've been discussing, but perhaps it will provide some food for thought, assuming of course that your faith hasn't eliminated the need for such activity.Bronxboy47https://www.blogger.com/profile/12820086206830534185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-13110018405923297502009-11-24T17:40:44.737-05:002009-11-24T17:40:44.737-05:00Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in o...Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [b] and over all the creatures that move along the ground." <br /> 27 So God created man in his own image,in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. <br /><br />I am in God's image. Then I am a reflection of God. When I look into the mirror, I should be seeing the image of God. God and I are alike. I am God like. Any of this not scriptural? Did I get the literal meaning of the scripture correct? Therefore, if God is Love, then I too shall love, no? I shall be like God and love. If God is spiteful, hateful, revengeful, destruction, fear, then I too should be all of the above? If this God is the same one that created 25 million species of beetles, did he do it to show off? If this God is the same one that created and delivered bacterial meningitis into the brain of an innocent 3 year old child, that he may suffer un-describe pain for twelve hours, all the while calling out to his father, my friend, a deacon and saint of the church, just as a test of his faith, then I don't want to be like God anymore. F*%k this God and all who would apologize for him. There can be no excuse for this kind of deity.<br /><br />I offer solid physical evidence of God not existing. I have two parents. They have two parents. These 4 people had to exist and reproduce for me to be here. Each of these 4 had 2 parents 8 people and 4 births. then those needed 8 births, and 16 births before those and so on. I did the calculations back to the first century and there had to have been over 1 quadrillion, that is 1 followed by 20 zero's just for me to exist. There is a flaw in that somewhere down on a lower branch of the family tree, there was an ancestor common to different branches. (I am my own third cousin.) However, remember it took just as many for you to be here to read this blog. And just as many more to create the internet, operate the power grid, and many many more animals and plants had to exist to provide the food to get you here. It boggles the mind to remember anyone along that chain need only exercise their "free will" and maybe kill themselves or marry someone else and you would not be reading this. God has got to have better things to keep up with.SpartanCaverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16238060424726286625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-51649468445457598912009-11-23T23:43:54.206-05:002009-11-23T23:43:54.206-05:00Bronxboy,
In the end God's sovereign will wil...Bronxboy,<br /><br />In the end God's sovereign will will be done and He will accomplish His purpose. I don't try to figure that out though. I'm not God. I just try and go by His revealed will which is loving my neighbor as myself and loving God above all else. If that is an area of concern for you then that's great. I don't believe in killing each other over religion.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18342042981695750691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-5709220809828727612009-11-23T23:24:36.458-05:002009-11-23T23:24:36.458-05:00At last, something we can agree upon! We've c...At last, something we can agree upon! We've clearly reached an impasse and are now simply talking past each other. But I cannot end this discussion without mentioning that it is becoming increasingly clear that the rapidly intensifying hostilities between competing religions is possibly the biggest threat to continued existence of mankind on this planet. But I doubt that in your cosmological scheme of things this is of any great importance. Your God's will will be done no matter what.Bronxboy47https://www.blogger.com/profile/12820086206830534185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-72855778752799691282009-11-23T22:08:36.967-05:002009-11-23T22:08:36.967-05:00Bronxboy,
I guess we are going to have to agree t...Bronxboy,<br /><br />I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree then. Here's something else I believe the bible teaches:<br /><br />And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God. (Romans 8:28)<br /><br />When my future is in the hands of an all-wise, all-powerful, all- knowing God who promises to work all things together for my good I am free to take any risk that love demands-no matter the cost. No matter what happens I can rest content that God will work it out for my good. To live is Christ and to die is gain.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18342042981695750691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-28242737714123952172009-11-23T19:22:40.947-05:002009-11-23T19:22:40.947-05:00Surely your Jesuitical mind is sharp enough to gra...Surely your Jesuitical mind is sharp enough to grasp this distinction.Bronxboy47https://www.blogger.com/profile/12820086206830534185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-82784361222039973132009-11-23T16:41:48.991-05:002009-11-23T16:41:48.991-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Bronxboy47https://www.blogger.com/profile/12820086206830534185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-56747001894887395382009-11-23T16:31:25.591-05:002009-11-23T16:31:25.591-05:00Again I say, the Bible teaches absolutely nothing....Again I say, the Bible teaches absolutely nothing. The Bible asserts, it does not teach. It is the church that takes its pet assertions found in the Bible and teaches them as fact.Bronxboy47https://www.blogger.com/profile/12820086206830534185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-31614098064093099252009-11-23T16:10:41.380-05:002009-11-23T16:10:41.380-05:00Bronxboy,
The bible clearly teaches something. It...Bronxboy,<br /><br />The bible clearly teaches something. It says: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Now, there is disagreement but there is also agreement. Namely, that it was God who created.<br /><br />I don't think God created because He lacked anything but out of the overflow of His grace. As I already explained about the trinity. He wasn't obligated to create neither is He obligated to sustain.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18342042981695750691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-83715548431456776242009-11-23T15:56:13.589-05:002009-11-23T15:56:13.589-05:00Apparently it doesn't cause you the slightest ...Apparently it doesn't cause you the slightest twinge of reflective uncertainty that the Westboro Baptist Church is as convinced of the correctness of their doctrine as you are of yours.Bronxboy47https://www.blogger.com/profile/12820086206830534185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-45438672830360764452009-11-23T15:39:05.198-05:002009-11-23T15:39:05.198-05:00The Bible "teaches" absolutely nothing. ...The Bible "teaches" absolutely nothing. The church infers doctrines from cherry picked passages of scripture and proceeds to teach from those inferences. If the Bible clearly "taught" anything there wouldn't be so many competing versions of Christianity.Bronxboy47https://www.blogger.com/profile/12820086206830534185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-15835290097423527932009-11-23T15:05:38.375-05:002009-11-23T15:05:38.375-05:00Bronxboy,
I think the bible does teach the trinit...Bronxboy,<br /><br />I think the bible does teach the trinity. I won't give you the scriptures because you said you don't like to argue scripture. Yet you continue to tell me what the bible teaches.<br /><br />The overflow of the river of God's Spirit of grace flows with complete control. God is in control. Since He is in control the overflow of the Spirit of love isn't chaotic. <br /><br />There is no contradiction in the trinity yet only mystery. One God three persons. The Father beholds His own image in the Son and He is completely happy. This image that the Father loves is first and formost His humility and His holiness. The Son loves the Father and the Father loves the Son. They are complete and lack nothing. The Spirit of love that flows between them is the Holy Spirit. It overflows and fills the entire universe with grace. Whoever is thirsty can drink from this fountain of grace.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18342042981695750691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-35418940865052410682009-11-23T14:38:55.802-05:002009-11-23T14:38:55.802-05:00As for the church whose amended doctrines you coun...As for the church whose amended doctrines you counter my observations with:<br /><br />The church has planted itself firmly in the middle of history's road, deflecting and delaying human progress, torturing, burning, and spilling blood for centuries. The church's hierarchy are humanity's Uncle Toms, enjoying all the best that life in the big house has to offer, while leaving the rest of mankind to scramble after the crumbs. I would be more inclined to credit their pronouncements if they were to put their villas and palaces on the market,sell all they that have and give the proceeds to the poor as they have been commanded to do.Bronxboy47https://www.blogger.com/profile/12820086206830534185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-38205410637060353262009-11-23T12:09:08.440-05:002009-11-23T12:09:08.440-05:00You and your church use human reason to arrive at ...You and your church use human reason to arrive at conclusions reason cannot digest without betraying and abandoning the very process leading to those conclusions. It's closed circuit madness, mumbo jumbo of a very high order, but mumbo jumbo nonetheless.<br /><br />I apologize for the testiness of this reply, but your smug certainty about the genesis of a "mystery" has finally touched my last nerve.Bronxboy47https://www.blogger.com/profile/12820086206830534185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-53962132179430072712009-11-23T11:15:46.512-05:002009-11-23T11:15:46.512-05:00...I will concede, however, that for those willing......I will concede, however, that for those willing to abandon logic, the "mystery" defense is an impregnable fallback position.Bronxboy47https://www.blogger.com/profile/12820086206830534185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-35232446547822541122009-11-23T10:25:35.791-05:002009-11-23T10:25:35.791-05:00The Bible doesn't "teach" the trinit...The Bible doesn't "teach" the trinity either, the church does; and you appear to be well and truly indoctrinated. How many teachings has the church modified or abandoned over the centuries? <br /><br />The very word "overflow" indicates both an excess and a lack of control, neither of which are attributes one normally associates with God, and yet you let this pass under the guise of "mystery". And for something that is an infinite "mystery" you seem to be armed with an inordinate number of finite "facts". This "mystery" only rears its head when it bumps up against logic. The very same logic the church has had to concede to over and over again.Bronxboy47https://www.blogger.com/profile/12820086206830534185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-57493215861243680682009-11-23T05:39:18.691-05:002009-11-23T05:39:18.691-05:00Bronxboy,
I already told you that I'm not sur...Bronxboy,<br /><br />I already told you that I'm not sure the bible teaches eternal torment. In fact I gave scripture to the contray. Yet you continue to bring it up. <br /><br />I agree that God is self-sufficient in the trinity and that He doesn't need anything. There is mystery here. God is infinite. The finite cannot fully grasp the infinite. But as far as the trinity goes God loves the Son and the Son loves the Father. They are complete and lack nothing. The Spirit of love that flows between them is the Holy Spirit. It overflows and fills the entire universe with grace. God doesn't need me. I need God. God is complete and self-sufficient in the trinity. I've already told you why I trust God.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18342042981695750691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-6909419320845869292009-11-23T00:32:03.768-05:002009-11-23T00:32:03.768-05:003m and Mysterium,
Let's go back to the very b...3m and Mysterium,<br /><br />Let's go back to the very beginning of your myth. God is under no compulsion to create anything. He is wholly self-sufficient and complete, lacking nothing. All that exists is God, encased in his own bliss. And yet, in the midst of this total self-sufficiency desire suddenly appears out of nowhere. God conceives a project that he knows in advance will require the suffering and death of his own son and that, despite this, the vast majority of his creation will end up in hell. And you really expect me to believe that given a choice between continuing on in divine bliss or starting a ball rolling that will lead to untold suffering and horror, that a loving, sane God would choose the latter? This is the sort of creator in which you would have me put my trust?Bronxboy47https://www.blogger.com/profile/12820086206830534185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-36246259619341276962009-11-22T17:45:10.434-05:002009-11-22T17:45:10.434-05:00It's amazing how you Christians believe in a G...It's amazing how you Christians believe in a God who can do anything and everything EXCEPT create a world in which hell isn't the final destination for the vast majority of mankind. You seem to think this is a conundrum your God is incapable of solving. So much for the assertion that with God all things are possible. Quite obviously that assertion needs to be severely deconstructed.Bronxboy47https://www.blogger.com/profile/12820086206830534185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-22036921360803925892009-11-22T17:31:52.018-05:002009-11-22T17:31:52.018-05:00Mysterium,
"God isn't obligated to keep ...Mysterium,<br /><br />"God isn't obligated to keep His promises but He freely chooses to do so anyway."<br /><br /><br />This is a mantra you can continue to repeat until the cows come home, but it doesn't come to grips with Paul's assertions about God's prerogatives. God is under no obligation to keep his promises to you. He could just as freely "unchoose", and who would there be to hold him to account? Don't forget, he did have second thoughts and decided to drown everyone, minus one family, and start over.<br /><br />And by the way, given the incremental adjustments Christian doctrine has undergone to date, how many more centuries do you think it will take before you revisionists fess up and abandon the concept of God entirely?Bronxboy47https://www.blogger.com/profile/12820086206830534185noreply@blogger.com