tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post114122202383035029..comments2023-12-01T18:05:24.875-05:00Comments on Debunking Christianity: We Are Not Insidious Villians!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-30287044116918919962007-10-31T22:11:00.000-04:002007-10-31T22:11:00.000-04:00John, do you feel better off now as an atheist kno...John, do you feel better off now as an atheist knowing the truth about christianity, or would you rather still be the blissfully ignorant christian still, who lived a fulfilling and comforting life? I do wonder. <BR/><BR/>For me, truth is more important than comfort or delusion.lostnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667418317266462673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1144806266952748072006-04-11T21:44:00.000-04:002006-04-11T21:44:00.000-04:00Hey John -As you might imagine, I have had numerou...Hey John -<BR/><BR/>As you might imagine, I have had numerous such experiences, some of which are related in the post at my blog entitled, "<A HREF="http://tbknews.blogspot.com/2006/03/cult-of-christianity_18.html" REL="nofollow">The Cult of Christianity</A>." As you can see from reading that post, I feel the same way. The born-in-sin doctrine of Christianity creates a disease in the believer, for which the savior doctrine pretends to be the cure. In order for this cult to succeed, it needs this sickness, which manifests itself in the hatred of not only oneself but of others. It is a highly destructive meme, against which we are attempting to provide the innoculation. Thanks for your hard work!Acharya Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03091289754963053674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1141503025891749452006-03-04T15:10:00.000-05:002006-03-04T15:10:00.000-05:00Albert, if you are saying that every group has its...Albert, if you are saying that every group has its bad apples, I will agree.Stardusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10560872454564355114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1141501938099690862006-03-04T14:52:00.000-05:002006-03-04T14:52:00.000-05:00Albert ~ Big deal...you provided a link to a post ...Albert ~ Big deal...you provided a link to a post that said "O'Hair and Newdow are lousy examples of their kind." Pat Robertson, Jim Bakker, the KKK, and Godsgunsglory are bad examples of the christian kind. So, your point?Stardusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10560872454564355114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1141442938052147842006-03-03T22:28:00.000-05:002006-03-03T22:28:00.000-05:00i should add that I was talking to anon and Albert...i should add that I was talking to anon and Albert in my last comment.Stardusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10560872454564355114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1141440174890605172006-03-03T21:42:00.000-05:002006-03-03T21:42:00.000-05:00Thanks for the really "credible" resource links. H...Thanks for the really "credible" resource links. How old are you guys?Stardusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10560872454564355114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1141394431846195002006-03-03T09:00:00.000-05:002006-03-03T09:00:00.000-05:00I remember when Dr. Jack Cottrell was defending in...I remember when Dr. Jack Cottrell was defending inerrancy as the position of the founders of the Restoration Movement (Churches of Christ) in a debate with Myron Williams, I believe. Williams went off the scheduled topic and started debating inerrancy itself by attacking Cottrell's writings on the subject. Jack tried to continue with what he had prepared, and continued to discuss what Alexander Campbell and others said about inerrancy. <BR/><BR/>But Williams continued. <BR/><BR/>Finally Jack could take it no more, and on his last time up he started with these words: "You can purposely misrepresent Alexander Campbell's words, and even the word's of Jesus if you want to, but when you start misrepresenting my words, then it's time for me to go on the offensive" (or some words to that effect).<BR/><BR/>Jack just got fed up with how he believed Williams was treating him. This treatment provoked him to go on the attack, and it brought up from within him a real passion to argue, and he brought over 3/4ths of the crowd to a standing ovation at the end.<BR/><BR/>He did it as a Christian. <BR/><BR/>I do it as an atheist.<BR/><BR/>But we all do it because we're human beings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1141353575578515062006-03-02T21:39:00.000-05:002006-03-02T21:39:00.000-05:00Matthew-I am afraid I have deleted much of the nas...Matthew-<BR/><BR/>I am afraid I have deleted much of the nasty comments and excessive evangelizing from my blog because I just didn't want to keep having to see it, but one fundamentalist blogger actually plastered my email address on their blog and encouraged others to SPAM my email because of my pro-choice stance and labeled me a baby killer! It's a horrible blog called Godgunsglory of all things, and yes, I should have known better than to leave a comment on a site that has gods and guns in its title. My stupidity! One of its members who lurks on my blog (marcguyver) seemed like a nice enough guy, but obviously he isn't, and he is the one I was commenting to. He has his own blog also, but is also a member of Gunsgodglory and I wish I had never heard of them! It was an awful few days! I was sent a message to drive myself into a lake among other things! I kept getting nasty emails here and there, they finally got bored with me and went away. Hopefully they will stay away. <BR/><BR/>Then there is Mr. Jim Jordan of the Moral Science Club who after I repeatedly deleted his "sermonettes" from my blog went back to his blog and wrote dissertations about me and people who commented on my blog who he does not agree with. He continues to do so. If you see the word "atheist" on his blog...it most likely pertains to me..he quotes me excessively and then rebutts what I say. He stopped putting my name in his posts, thank goodness, but he is still obsessed with reading my blog and running back to his blog to write about me. In response to me deleting him he wrote in one of his blog posts "there are a million other "open-minded" websites that I can harass" and he headed on over to Freethoughtmom's blog. I email her in addition to visiting her blog, and she is a very sweet young woman and he even got her in a tizzy! But she didn't delete him at all so you can still see those conversations there. Her blog address is<BR/><BR/>http://freethoughtmom.blogspot.com/<BR/><BR/>The last "discussion" involving Jordan on my blog is at this link below...but chunks are deleted where I removed his evangelizing and insults. But you can get the gist of what was probably said from the responses from myself and other commentors. I should have left his comments because by just reading the responses others made to him makes it look like we are the mean ones when in actuality we are frustrated and angry! <BR/>Here is the link to that post:<BR/>http://thoughtsfortheopenminded.blogspot.com/2006/02/religious-violence.html<BR/><BR/>Jim Jordan's blog address is<BR/>http://moralscienceclub.blogspot.com/<BR/><BR/>I try very hard not to "take the bait" but when someone is harrassing me to "come back to Jeezus" I get a bit perturbed after awhile. And when I tell them no, and they keep on, I start getting heated. It's really hard not to get sucked into senseless and hostile debate.Stardusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10560872454564355114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1141350585944527042006-03-02T20:49:00.000-05:002006-03-02T20:49:00.000-05:00Writing long posts and working with the poor are n...Writing long posts and working with the poor are not mutually exclusive activities. I do both. I blog anonymously and am not trying to sell a book.<BR/><BR/>Not everyone has to "serve the needy" though. There are a variety of jobs one can do.<BR/><BR/>If John helps, in even a small way, to rid the world of religion, then I think he has done a greater service than many who regularly "serve the needy." I can't help believing that religion is second only to poverty as a killer.exbelieverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04821290397922309515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1141350443324849272006-03-02T20:47:00.000-05:002006-03-02T20:47:00.000-05:00Albert, I've expressed my motivations here, to the...Albert, I've expressed my motivations here, to the best of my abilities, knowing that there is always a hidden agenda for all of our actions. What's your motivation, and what's your hidden agenda?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1141345587964111802006-03-02T19:26:00.000-05:002006-03-02T19:26:00.000-05:00Stardust1954 said: "When I started my blog, I foun...Stardust1954 said: "When I started my blog, I found a place to express my opinions and ideas. I have stated clearly at the top of my blog that I do not believe in religious dogma. I welcome and am open to comments from all visitors to my blog. Apparently, from the number of hostile christians I have had pop in to blast me and leave to go back and write hostile and nasty things about a 51-year-old mom who they have never even met, I am becoming less and less tolerant of fundamentalists."<BR/><BR/> Ouch! Stardust, I welcome you to our humble locus on this side of the galaxy with open arms and perhaps a kiss on the cheek. I want to say, welcome to our side! As for many of these hostile reactions, have you saved any of them? Have you recorded a lot of the negative, nasty comments from these folks? I'd love to see them? Are they on your blog? <BR/><BR/> MatthewMatthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03301708892076758582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1141328437559043022006-03-02T14:40:00.000-05:002006-03-02T14:40:00.000-05:00Hey Zachary, Welcome here! It's good to see you ...Hey Zachary,<BR/><BR/> Welcome here! It's good to see you on here and I hope that you take the time to read some of my posts if you haven't already! How have you been? It's great to see you fighting the good fight!<BR/><BR/> MatthewMatthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03301708892076758582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1141326944829921072006-03-02T14:15:00.000-05:002006-03-02T14:15:00.000-05:00I know many people who are busy with important thi...I know many people who are busy with important things and maintain a blog...example my friend Uma in India who is an author AND a practicing psychologist. Some of us love to write and it comes easy to us. <BR/><BR/>Here is Uma's link if you want to take a look around. <BR/>She is a remarkable lady doing remarkable things. I am fortunate to have run across her blog and I actually learn things from her. <BR/>http://laidbackrebel.blogspot.com/<BR/><BR/>For whatever purposes John has his blog, some of us find that he has something worthwhile to offer. What is the reason for YOUR blog Albert and why do you "waste" time with blogging at all?Stardusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10560872454564355114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1141322175780223582006-03-02T12:56:00.000-05:002006-03-02T12:56:00.000-05:00Albert,Why are you here? I'm trying to answer tha...Albert,<BR/><BR/>Why are you here? I'm trying to answer that question. Why are YOU here?<BR/><BR/><I>Although everyone has a right to make decisions about what they want to devote their time to, I wouldn't want to be on my deathbed feeling that I'd wasted a lot of time debating my viewpoint with people who were likely to never change their opinion anyways.</I><BR/> <BR/>How about devoting your time to the needy instead of posting here on this Blog?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1141277541708351062006-03-02T00:32:00.000-05:002006-03-02T00:32:00.000-05:00When I am personally attacked, it only intensifies...<I>When I am personally attacked, it only intensifies my desire to go for the jugular vein--the very faith that allows someone to feel they can personally attack me with ethical impunity. </I><BR/><BR/>Since "coming out of the closet" and letting my atheism be known, I have encountered the most hateful attitudes towards me by supposed "messengers of god's love" which provokes me at times to lash back.<BR/><BR/> When I started my blog, I found a place to express my opinions and ideas. I have stated clearly at the top of my blog that I do not believe in religious dogma. I welcome and am open to comments from all visitors to my blog. Apparently, from the number of hostile christians I have had pop in to blast me and leave to go back and write hostile and nasty things about a 51-year-old mom who they have never even met, I am becoming less and less tolerant of fundamentalists. <BR/><BR/>I have always believed that this is a free country and like it says in our constitution, everyone has the right their own beliefs and freedom to express those beliefs, however, I have found that many christians do not respect the CONSTITUTIONAL rights of people of other religions and atheists. It is shocking that this kind of intolerance is happening in a country which was founded on RELIGIOUS FREEDOM.<BR/><BR/>It is not enough for many christians to just believe their religion. Too many christian fundamentalists feel compelled to FORCE their beliefs on people and become very militant in the process. They will not take a simple "no" for an answer and keep on and on and on, oftentimes in the most hateful way...name-calling and slander. This in turn has caused a coming out of atheists to become more aggressive and more vocal. <BR/><BR/>Here is a link to a post I wrote titled "Time to Say Enough", along with an artist's rendering of what it feels like to have religious zealots pushing their religion on others:<BR/>http://thoughtsfortheopenminded.blogspot.com/2006/01/time-to-say-enough-artwork-is-symbolic.htmlStardusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10560872454564355114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1141268959654810012006-03-01T22:09:00.000-05:002006-03-01T22:09:00.000-05:00I'm sure this comes as a great surprise to Frank!O...I'm sure this comes as a great surprise to Frank!<BR/><BR/>One wonders why an atheist "wolf in sheep's clothing" would bother wasting time creating a blog to trot out poor arguments to make Christians look stupid. It's not as if Christians have good arguments to begin with.Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17933545393470431585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1141239716100405842006-03-01T14:01:00.000-05:002006-03-01T14:01:00.000-05:00I'm seconding what albert said - if this post is i...I'm seconding what albert said - if this post is in reference to Walton, ignore him man. I considered responding to some of the stuff he puts on his blog, but he's mostly interested in personal attacks, and isn't worth anyone's time.The Uncredible Hallqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09565179884099473943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1141239130832542332006-03-01T13:52:00.000-05:002006-03-01T13:52:00.000-05:00I have had christians comment on my blog and some ...I have had christians comment on my blog and some take it to the extreme of "spam-preaching." I have visited a couple of christian blogs (two of who left comments on my blog, so I thought it would be ok to comment on their's and ended up with lengthy posts written about me, including my personal EMAIL address with an encouragement to all to SPAM me and they wrote all kinds of stuff about me that is very untrue and cruel. (Nice christian folks, huh?) This one fellow from another blog comes to "preach" and when I tell him if he wants to discuss the topic at hand he is welcome to stay, if he resorts to over-evangelizing I will delete him. He comes to my blog, doesn't like what I have to say and returns to his blog to write hateful posts about me. (I am beginning to feel honored that I warrant such attention!)<BR/>I check my sitemeter often and find that many christians are "lurking" around and go back to write rebuttals on their blogs to something I wrote (complete with my link)...so these christians are actually helping me spread my seeds of doubt without me trying. Let them say mean things about me, a 51-year-old- mother of three, teacher, artist...atheist. People will come to my blog and maybe something I have posted will get them to expand their thinking.Stardusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10560872454564355114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1141234846860867982006-03-01T12:40:00.000-05:002006-03-01T12:40:00.000-05:00Annie,I visited your blog out of curiousity and re...Annie,<BR/><BR/>I visited your blog out of curiousity and read this there in one of your posts: <BR/><BR/>"If you want to talk about persecution, intolerance, unfair judgment and hatred for any one group, let us discard the Blacks, Muslims, Christians and Jews; there is another group that has suffered more than these, and her name is Woman. No other group in the history of this world has been more maligned. No other slavery has been more pervasive than a husband over his wife. No other lie has been more accepted since the beginning of the human race than the subjugation of women, and this second-class status is still prevalent today; yes even in America."<BR/><BR/>Are you satisfied with the way women are viewed and written about in the bible?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1141229977353545082006-03-01T11:19:00.000-05:002006-03-01T11:19:00.000-05:00I agree with exbeliever. I truly do think that th...I agree with exbeliever. I truly do think that the world would have been/would be a better place if religion was not in the equation. But seeing as I also believe in the right for each person to believe as they wish, I can't use force to make my dreams come true so I must rely on logic, reason and rational argument to make the world a better place.<BR/><BR/>My other motivation is that since we live in a representative democracy, other people will be making decisions that affect me. It scares me to death that there are people making those decisions who actually believe that Jesus is coming back from the dead to take them up the God. Would I want a representative who still believes in the Easter Bunny or Santa Clause or thinks that he has been abducted by aliens? If they are naive enough to believe in the Jesus fable, then what else can they be convinced to believe in that has nothing to do with reality?Brucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11338993634025153018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1141224998377321522006-03-01T09:56:00.000-05:002006-03-01T09:56:00.000-05:00"I know he can, because 30 years ago - I screamed ..."I know he can, because 30 years ago - I screamed at him to prove himself to me. He did, and in such a way that I could not ignore his answer."<BR/><BR/>That's all we're asking for too, Annie. But I haven't heard anything yet.<BR/><BR/>---<BR/><BR/>Regarding this post, I'm interested in debunking Christianity now because I found out that the years I spent as a Christian were bunk. I thought I knew the truth then, but I was wrong, so I'm doing my best to find the truth now. And if it turns out that Christianity is immoral (which I believe it is), then I have a moral responsibility to share that knowledge with others.Zachary Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16991061670470673718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1141223601711048732006-03-01T09:33:00.000-05:002006-03-01T09:33:00.000-05:00Hello - I guess it was no accident that I stumbled...Hello - I guess it was no accident that I stumbled onto your site. That's right - I am a Christian, and in my ignorance, I believe that God brought me here. I will not 'shove' anything down your throat because God never does that; he is a gentleman. He waits until he is invited. You must extend the invitation to him. I say to anyone who questions the existence of God to ASK HIM. Don't you think that the Creator of the Universe can prove that he exists? I know he can, because 30 years ago - I screamed at him to prove himself to me. He did, and in such a way that I could not ignore his answer. Religion has failed man and God. Catholic, Protestant, Judiasm - it does not matter. What matters is a relationship with God. That is all he wants from us. Don't judge God by the yardstick of religion. Religion was made by man - not God. I call myself a Christian because I try to follow the teachings of the Christ. But, I study those teachings with God only. It is just him and me, and I learned more at his knee than I would ever learn at some church. May God bless you, indeed.Hepzibah The Watchmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17459404010681683434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1141223097893840952006-03-01T09:24:00.000-05:002006-03-01T09:24:00.000-05:00Not to sound too much like John Lennon, but I deba...Not to sound too much like John Lennon, but I debate this stuff hoping that people will give up religion, because I think the world would be a better place without it.exbelieverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04821290397922309515noreply@blogger.com