tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post113988612481144626..comments2023-12-01T18:05:24.875-05:00Comments on Debunking Christianity: The Atonement and ForgivenessUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-74497552144532568392009-09-16T23:29:35.796-04:002009-09-16T23:29:35.796-04:00"Hi Robin!, and yet we are so often supposed ..."Hi Robin!, and yet we are so often supposed to try to live by his examples.<br /><br />Which route should we take?,live by his examples or accept our different category which includes not being perfect."<br /><br />Gandolf,<br /><br />There are ways we are to be like God and ways we are not. God alone is God. He alone is the Creator. God has rights and prerogatives that we don't. What we are to go by is His revealed will which is this:<br /><br />Love God above all else and love our neigbor as ourself.<br /><br />The secret things belong to the Lord.Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252416860719494606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-50003891481394021992009-09-16T04:42:47.821-04:002009-09-16T04:42:47.821-04:00Robin said...
John said:
"If God is...Robin said...<br /><br /> John said:<br /><br /> "If God is a person at all then he responds towards us as a person does, a father, and even as a creator who cares for us, not a harsh and demanding judge."<br /><br /> "John, God is outside the human category. He's in a different category than we are. He alone is God. He cannot be compared to anything or anybody. Although He's personal there is a huge distance between us and God. Because He's holy then He must punish sin because not to would be unjust."<br /><br />Hi Robin!, and yet we are so often supposed to try to live by his examples.<br /><br />Which route should we take?,live by his examples or accept our different category which includes not being perfect. <br /><br />Oh no but hold on ,god is god and he doesnt need to accept he made us in a different category either right?.<br /><br />Sheeze quick somebody pass me the asprins .Gandolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624178234332819107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-72871017952640940822009-09-11T16:10:21.022-04:002009-09-11T16:10:21.022-04:00John said:
"If God is a person at all then h...John said:<br /><br />"If God is a person at all then he responds towards us as a person does, a father, and even as a creator who cares for us, not a harsh and demanding judge."<br /><br />John, God is outside the human category. He's in a different category than we are. He alone is God. He cannot be compared to anything or anybody. Although He's personal there is a huge distance between us and God. Because He's holy then He must punish sin because not to would be unjust.Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252416860719494606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-71946757683490728912009-09-11T16:02:39.284-04:002009-09-11T16:02:39.284-04:00"Hi Robin you said .."Nope, without the ..."Hi Robin you said .."Nope, without the influence of God's grace everyone will continue to live in sin."<br /><br />But here on earth even with Gods supposed grace these folks all continue to sin in some way or another.<br /><br />So why then would it be expected to be any different in heaven."<br /><br /><br />Because in heaven all desire for sin will be removed from our hearts. The only things we will do in heaven will be good. We still make choices and do what we freely want to do. But we will never want to sin. We will be slaves to righteousness.Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252416860719494606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-17160448440555293622009-09-11T13:12:09.557-04:002009-09-11T13:12:09.557-04:00She meant it's different in Heaven, though, an...She meant it's different in Heaven, though, and I can see that.<br /><br />And none of us can figure out why it's not that way here, if sinlessness with free will IS possible to achieve.<br /><br />She apparently doesn't subscribe to the "but we'd be robots" line, because the same would then have to apply to Heaven.<br /><br />We're all just hopeful guessers, I think.ismellarathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01798650524118603772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-75605496535380368002009-09-11T10:27:29.234-04:002009-09-11T10:27:29.234-04:00Howdy ismellarat you said...
"Gandolf, ...Howdy ismellarat you said...<br /><br /> "Gandolf, I take what she said to mean as being a form of "God's undeniable presence/influence," which we definitely don't have here."<br /><br />No to be honest i havent really noticed any real undeniable presence/influence happening thats showing anything so specially different to whats only human either.<br /><br />Sure sometimes some Christian folk can seem to be a little nicer that some others might be,but so are many people depending on situations and circumstances etc.And many just dont seem to really need to have any faith beliefs either. <br /><br />If Gods presence/influence was supposed to be so undeniable.Personally i would have thought we would be seeing some real decent evidence that it was actually creating something we could easily see was so very different.<br /><br />Faithful folks will say oh no but humans are sinners thats why this happens this way.Bingo! no need to be worried.<br /><br />The evidence we do feel we so often see that faith beliefs seem to make little difference to peoples humanity or can even often make so many folks more nasty and horrible,must just simply be thrown aside.<br /><br />To be replaced with faith that God actually must make some special difference.<br /><br />I dont know ismellarat seems God created us a world where logic and good evidence is so often useful and needed,yet he also decided us human should some how feel very comfortable relying on faith and a lack of any real evidence thats lasted now for thousands of years.<br /><br />He dont half expect much hmmmm?Gandolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624178234332819107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-5404284036653888942009-09-11T08:32:58.390-04:002009-09-11T08:32:58.390-04:00Gandolf, I take what she said to mean as being a f...Gandolf, I take what she said to mean as being a form of "God's undeniable presence/influence," which we definitely don't have here. <br /><br />At least I've never seen anything that can be considered an incontrovertible proof, and I've been/am looking/hoping for one for most of my life, so it can't be said that I'm not open to it.ismellarathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01798650524118603772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-31132902727270229662009-09-11T05:11:13.867-04:002009-09-11T05:11:13.867-04:00Hi Robin you said .."Nope, without the influe...Hi Robin you said .."Nope, without the influence of God's grace everyone will continue to live in sin."<br /><br />But here on earth even with Gods supposed grace these folks all continue to sin in some way or another.<br /><br />So why then would it be expected to be any different in heaven.Gandolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624178234332819107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-20488735680540581792009-09-10T18:12:18.811-04:002009-09-10T18:12:18.811-04:00Robin,
I think that takes us back to square one. ...Robin,<br /><br />I think that takes us back to square one. Gandhi definitely did hear about the Gospel - he incorporated some Christian teachings into his own philosophy, although as far as I am aware he never claimed to be Christian. So according to what you say, Gandhi will go to hell, but maybe suffer less punishment than others. However, I still find it hard to believe that a person who is essentially the epitome of goodness like Gandhi would get to hell and suddenly start blaspheming God. I can't see him blaspheming anyone. That just seems to me to be against all common sense whatsoever. I can certainly see <i>some</i> people being pretty angry at God for punishing them, but I can't see <i>all</i> people being like that. That's my point.<br /><br />But oh well...as long as you're suuuure that God is just...then I'm sure he's got a contingency plan for those who can get out of hell on good behaviour. I still like my house arrest idea - sure you can't get the full experience of heaven, but at least the air conditioning is nice.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07878734919633437792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-46057530202311730912009-09-10T17:55:45.878-04:002009-09-10T17:55:45.878-04:00Jeff,
What I believe is that people in hell will ...Jeff,<br /><br />What I believe is that people in hell will hate Christ, God the Father, and God the Holy Spirit and his children. They are usually people who blashpheme Him and call His children names and make fun of them. They will probably even think God is unjust for His judgements and when they are punished and see others punished they will continue to blaspheme and sin and God will continue to punish. I believe God is a fair Judge and I have a confident trust that His justice is just. I'm not sure what happens to those who have never had the opportunity of hearing about Him. I don't know where Gahndi is at right now. But I do know that God isn't going to be unfair in His judgement. There are different degrees of punishment in hell just as there are different levels of reward in heaven. Nobody will be treated unjustly. Some recieve Gods grace some recieve justice. No one recieves injustice.Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252416860719494606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-76591236040130876762009-09-10T14:01:53.077-04:002009-09-10T14:01:53.077-04:00Lol Robin, you crack me up. It's like listenin...Lol Robin, you crack me up. It's like listening to a broken record here. No thought involved - just defend your God like a mindless drone. I don't generally like to make fun of religious people, but this is just too good. I particularly like this bit:<br /><br />"Nope, hell will be full of sinners who continually blaspheme God and live a life of sin. Hell is ongoing because sin will be ongoing.<br /><br />"People in hell will hate God. They sin, God punishes, they sin, God punishes, they sin, God punishes, they sin, God punishes and the cycle will continue forever."<br /><br />So as far as I see it, you must believe one of two things:<br /><br />1. The people that have devoted their life to serving the incorrect God (i.e. Allah, Vishnu, Thor, etc.), instead of saying, "Oh hey, wow, that's crazy. I <i>totally</i> thought I had the right God here, but I guess not," and simply transferring their devotion from the incorrect to the correct God, they will decide to just hate God altogether. This, if you believe it, is a pretty irrational view. People throughout human history have been religious. They worship the God they worship because (presumably) they believe he/she/it is the correct God. Once they find out that they were wrong, common sense would say that they would then start worshipping the God they now know to be true. This view, on the other hand (the opposite of common sense), would say that they will decide to just hate God altogether. Lol.<br /><br />OR...<br /><br />2. The people who worshipped the wrong God but were still good people will go to heaven. This is a fairly reasonable view, but not something that is really advocated by the Bible. I mean, you could probably pull out verses to support it, but at the very least, most Christians don't hold to this view. This one is more rational, however, because at least when you say the people in hell will hate God, you'd only be talking about atheists - people who have rejected God altogether. I still don't think it correctly describes human nature (Hmm, which do I want - eternal punishment, or eternal bliss? Such a tough choice...), but at least it's better than choice #1.<br /><br />So could I get your response to which one you believe? Maybe I can squeeze some common sense out of you yet...Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07878734919633437792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-16820401276925571242009-09-09T21:48:58.897-04:002009-09-09T21:48:58.897-04:00Robin wrote: They still make choices but because a...Robin wrote: <b>They still make choices but because all desire for sin is gone they always choose the right thing. They freely do what they want to do. Which is worship God.</b><br /><br />Robin, <br /><br />Do you always choose the right thing? Have you stopped sining completely? If not, why?<br /><br /><b>He's under no obligation to be merciful to sinners. Grace is something that nobody deserves and therefore God is never obligated to give grace to His creatures.</b><br /><br />If God is not required to give mercy to sinners, then what does this say it's moral status?<br /><br />If God must do good because he is good by his very nature, then giving mercy must not fall in the category of "good." And if it is not good, then why would God do such a thing at any time? <br /><br />Note, I'm not saying that giving mercy to sinners is evil, I'm saying that, given your claim, giving mercy must fall somewhere outside of good, otherwise, God would be required to give mercy to sinners. Therefore, God's choice to give mercy at some point in the future appears to be an arbitrary choice on his part. <br /><br /><b>I don't know why God doesn't do it right now but I know he does nothing wrong by not doing it right now.</b><br /><br />This sentence seems to conflict itself. How do you know that God does nothing wrong, yet not know why God doesn't cause people to freely choose not to sin in the here and now?<br /><br /><b>To know that I would have to get [inside] the mind of God. and I'm not God.</b><br /><br />So then how do you know God does nothing wrong? It seems you'd need to know God's intentions to know if he's really doing the right thing. <br /><br />For example, I could take actions that make me appear to be trustworthy and moral with the intent of using that trust against people at some point in the future. <br /><br />Surely, if God is as powerful as Christianity claims, he'd have no problem creating the appearance of being good. He could have orchestrated the Bible and even religious experiences to gain people's trust with the intent of sending everyone to Hell regardless.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11193595678064010528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-65693352305658182912009-09-09T19:56:41.850-04:002009-09-09T19:56:41.850-04:00Hi Robin,
When one is referred to as an evildoer,...Hi Robin,<br /><br />When one is referred to as an evildoer, what does that mean? Because I don't understand why an atheist like me would be considered evil, and deserves eternal punishment. <br /><br />You said, "To answer your question about what happens to those who stop sinning in hell, I would have to say that there won't be any such people." This statement indicates that you equate sinning with evil. If so, you obviously think that people who make it to heaven will stop sinning. But I'm curious as to why you and other christians tend to avoid using the word evil whenever the claim is made that people will stop sinning in heaven. Would it not be the case that everyone is evil if we are all sinners? Why don't we all just stop using the words sin and sinners, and replace it with evil and evildoers? This way it is clear that evildoers will no longer do evil in heaven. Otherwise, it seems to be a desperate attempt at trying to cast otherwise normal people as bad for no apparent reason.Ignerant Phoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13166860576010836032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-6797596586965166842009-09-09T14:35:34.972-04:002009-09-09T14:35:34.972-04:001. There will be good non-Christians in hell - peo...1. There will be good non-Christians in hell - people like Gandhi, for instance - who sinned very little, and so would presumably not continue to sin in hell.<br /><br />Nope, everyone in hell is evil. Some are worse than others. Not everyone in hell recieves the same degree of punishment.<br /><br />2. People are smart enough to figure out that if they stop sinning, they can escape hell - and they're smart enough to do it.<br /><br />Nope, without the influence of God's grace everyone will continue to live in sin.<br /><br />3. Thus, if the punishment for sin is not eternal (as you indicated), because of the above two facts, hell should be largely vacated once they have done their time.<br /><br />Nope, hell will be full of sinners who continually blaspheme God and live a life of sin. Hell is ongoing because sin will be ongoing.<br /><br />People in hell will hate God. They sin, God punishes, they sin, God punishes, they sin, God punishes, they sin, God punishes and the cycle will continue forever.Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252416860719494606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-71506425677832854532009-09-09T12:34:29.401-04:002009-09-09T12:34:29.401-04:00"To answer your question about what happens t..."To answer your question about what happens to those who stop sinning in hell, I would have to say that there won't be any such people. People in hell stay evil. Hell is ongoing because sin is ongoing. As I already showed, this is hinted at in Revelation 22:11."<br /><br />Robin,<br /><br />Well then I think you have an incredibly low view of the intelligence of people. I'm trying to appeal to reason, here - do you not think that <i>maybe, just maybe</i> someone would figure out that if they stop sinning, they can get out of hell? Come on here. You can train pigeons to learn that certain actions will produce certain rewards/punishments. Are you saying that we're dumber than pigeons? Because if you are...well, then I suppose <i>you're</i> probably the one that's dumber than a pigeon. It is plainly obvious that we have intelligence to know that actions have consequences. If I knew that my dad was going to throw me into a wood chipper if I ate from the cookie jar, you can be sure that I'd be staying the hell away from the cookie jar!<br /><br />So your assertion is that <i>everyone</i> in hell is too stupid to even figure out that continual sin is what is keeping them there. I think that's ridiculous. I'd like to provide the following three statements, and then you can tell me if you agree with them or not:<br /><br />1. There will be good non-Christians in hell - people like Gandhi, for instance - who sinned very little, and so would presumably not continue to sin in hell.<br /><br />2. People are smart enough to figure out that if they stop sinning, they can escape hell - and they're smart enough to do it.<br /><br />3. Thus, if the punishment for sin is <i>not</i> eternal (as you indicated), because of the above two facts, hell should be largely vacated once they have done their time.<br /><br />I don't care what Revelation hints at (not to mention that that's pretty weak - the context pretty clearly shows that the verse is talking about the time from now until the "end times"). I don't care if you can find one verse to support your argument. I'm appealing to common sense. I'm appealing to facts that are plainly right in front of your face. If you can't figure it out, try going to a school for pigeons.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07878734919633437792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-89837653171531060032009-09-09T09:00:14.328-04:002009-09-09T09:00:14.328-04:00Rat,
I explained what I meant by being confirmed...Rat,<br /><br />I explained what I meant by being confirmed in grace.<br /><br />Those confirmed in grace have had all desire for sin removed from their heart so that they have no desire for sin. They still make choices but because all desire for sin is gone they always choose the right thing. They freely do what they want to do. Which is worship God.<br /><br />God could do that right now but He doesn't. He's under no obligation to be merciful to sinners. Grace is something that nobody deserves and therefore God is never obligated to give grace to His creatures. Wether it's common grace or saving grace. Since God is never obligated give grace then He does nothing wrong by witholding grace. He's a good God. I don't know why God doesn't do it right now but I know he does nothing wrong by not doing it right now. To know that I would have to get indide the mind of God. and I'm not God. God has rights and prerogatives that I don't have. Logical explanations as to why are infinite and I'm not infinite. I can't fully comprehend the infinite.Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252416860719494606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-14800417806379466162009-09-08T20:33:25.863-04:002009-09-08T20:33:25.863-04:00How do you define "confirmed in grace"?
...How do you define "confirmed in grace"?<br /><br />If there is free will in Heaven, and they never sin, God must have some way of "making" people freely choose not to sin.<br /><br />So I'd think that he could also do it here, since our actions this side of life seem to be so terribly important in determining where we go in the next.ismellarathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01798650524118603772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-21470177901435741862009-09-08T20:19:53.353-04:002009-09-08T20:19:53.353-04:00Rat,
People in heaven are confirmed in grace. The...Rat,<br /><br />People in heaven are confirmed in grace. They have no desire for sin. Since all desire for sin is completely gone they will not ever sin. They still make choices and freely do what they want to do. But since all desire for sin is gone, they will always want to do the right thing.Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252416860719494606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-85812923892635635182009-09-08T19:58:57.318-04:002009-09-08T19:58:57.318-04:00My point, Robin and feeno, was that since it is in...My point, Robin and feeno, was that since it is in God's power to have us (apparently, since this apparently happens in Heaven) freely choose not to sin, he could have arranged it so that the vast majority would not even have to go to Hell. <br /><br />Why Hell must exist when he could have chosen to not create it is another issue. Christians keep explaining God as if he's merely a bit player in a larger reality, when I thought he was running the whole show.ismellarathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01798650524118603772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-77427205403401575512009-09-08T19:11:58.753-04:002009-09-08T19:11:58.753-04:00'Rat
You said "Why are we only left with...'Rat<br /><br />You said "Why are we only left with old documents that seemingly dare the reader to disbelieve them...."<br /><br />That's a great line,(I will look into that.) and that's also the $64,000 question, why some of us think the bible is archaic and for rubes, then people like me think it's new and different everytime I read it. <br /><br />I only attempt to give reasons for the questions you pose for the sake of here's at least an explanation.<br /><br />God made us body and spirit. Our body will rot, decay, decompose and eventually return to dust. But our resurected bodies will be made perfect. we will be raised in glory(1 Cor. 15:43) Our spiritual body will be "glorified" or made to sin no more or simply changed because we now see the truth clearly? When we accept Christ we are justified, from that point until we die we are being sanctified, (getting a little better day by day) and yes during that time we sin because we haven't been glorified. We still wear flesh. But one day we will discard these bodies that age or get sick or get tired for new ones. At least I hope so.<br /><br />Dueces, feenofeenohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07483769284197614547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-55248672550784907732009-09-08T18:56:06.745-04:002009-09-08T18:56:06.745-04:00Robin,
You seem to imply that people who are sav...Robin, <br /><br />You seem to imply that people who are saved here on earth do not sin. But this wouldn't be the case as humans are supposedly born sinners. <br /><br />Christianity does not say people are not saved because they do not sin, they are saved because they think Jesus died for their sins. <br /><br /><b>It's also a bit of common sense that those in hell remain evil while those in heaven will remain holy. </b><br /><br />Those who would be in heaven would not remain holy, they would become holy. Again, if we <i>all fall short of the glory of God</i> then we are all sinners. If our flesh is what causes us to sin, then it's unclear why we would sin after or bodies die and decompose. <br /><br />Does God give those in hell a new body that causes them to sin but gives those in heaven a new body that does not?<br /><br />This doesn't seem like "common sense" to me.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11193595678064010528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-39482570172365959592009-09-08T18:27:01.497-04:002009-09-08T18:27:01.497-04:00Jeff said: "what happens to the prisoners who...Jeff said: "what happens to the prisoners who don't continue to commit crimes in prison? Do they serve their sentence and get released, or are they still condemned to hell anyway? Is there any chance of parole?"<br /><br />Jeff, <br /><br />To answer your question about what happens to those who stop sinning in hell, I would have to say that there won't be any such people. People in hell stay evil. Hell is ongoing because sin is ongoing. As I already showed, this is hinted at in Revelation 22:11.<br /><br />Revelation 22:11:<br /><br />Let the evildoer still do evil, and the filthy still be filthy, and the righteous still do right, and the holy still be holy.Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252416860719494606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-58499795959907022242009-09-08T17:02:14.421-04:002009-09-08T17:02:14.421-04:00I'm also baffled by the idea that there is fre...I'm also baffled by the idea that there is free will and yet no sin in Heaven.<br /><br />I know of NO Christian who doesn't sin with impunity, if you count all the "small stuff."<br /><br />Yet they will stop doing this in Heaven?<br /><br />If the presence of God is such a perfectly motivating factor (and I can see that as an explanation), then why doesn't he just instantly reform almost everyone else, while he's at it?<br /><br />Why are we only left with old documents that seemingly dare the reader to disbelieve them, when God could so easily do here what he apparently does in Heaven - inspire the same perfect behavior by his undeniable presence?ismellarathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01798650524118603772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-33040661747781595562009-09-08T16:43:26.498-04:002009-09-08T16:43:26.498-04:00"It's kind of like a prisoner who is sent..."It's kind of like a prisoner who is sentenced to do time for a crime he commits. While he's in prison he commits more crimes and as a result he gets more time."<br /><br />Okay, but you still failed to answer my question - what happens to the prisoners who don't continue to commit crimes in prison? Do they serve their sentence and get released, or are they still condemned to hell anyway? Is there any chance of parole? Maybe some house arrest (like, you get a mansion in heaven, but you are under guard there)? You seem to think that <i>everyone</i> in hell is going to keep on sinning, which I don't think would be the case, especially when you consider that people like Gandhi are in there. And of course, many well-intentioned individuals who simply were brought up in the wrong religion. They <i>wanted</i> to do the right thing, but got the wrong God - once they found out who the right one was, I'm sure they'd be quick to repent.<br /><br />So once again.......what happens to them?Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07878734919633437792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-15645466246293645222009-09-08T14:43:05.730-04:002009-09-08T14:43:05.730-04:00Jeff,
It hints at it in Revelation 22:11:
Let th...Jeff,<br /><br />It hints at it in Revelation 22:11:<br /><br />Let the evildoer still do evil, and the filthy still be filthy, and the righteous still do right, anfd the holy still be holy.<br /><br />It's also a bit of common sense that those in hell remain evil while those in heaven will remain holy. People in hell continue to sin and stockpile more and more guilt and it's consequent punishment. Hell is ongoing because sin is ongoing.<br /><br />It's kind of like a prisoner who is sentenced to do time for a crime he commits. While he's in prison he commits more crimes and as a result he gets more time.Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252416860719494606noreply@blogger.com