Can Faith Distinguish Between Fact and Fiction?

Here are two miracles:

1. Jesus Arose From the Dead.

2. St. Raymond of Penyafort Had a Sailing Cloak.


Here is the account of St. Raymond and the sinful prince / king:
This prince was an accomplished soldier and statesman, and a sincere lover of religion, but his great qualities were sullied by a base passion for women. He received the admonitions of the saint with respect, and promised amendment of life, and a faithful compliance with the saint's injunctions in every particular; but without effect. St.Raymund, upon discovering that he entertained a lady at his court with whom he was suspected to have criminal conversation, made the strongest instances to have her dismissed, which the king promised should be done, but postponed the execution. The saint, dissatisfied with the delay, begged leave to retire to his convent at Barcelona. The king not only refused him leave, but threatened to punish with death any person that should undertake to convey him out of the island. The saint, full of confidence in God, said to his companion, "A king of the earth endeavors to deprive us of the means of retiring; but the King of heaven will supply them." He then walked boldly to the waters, spread his cloak upon them, tied up one corner of it to a staff for a sail, and having made the sign of the cross, stepped upon it without fear, while his timorous companion stood trembling and wondering on the shore. On this new kind of vessel the saint was wafted with such rapidity, that in six hours he reached the harbor of Barcelona, sixty leagues distant from Majorca. Those who saw him arrive in this manner met him with acclamations. But he, gathering up his cloak dry, put it on, stole through the crowd, and entered his monastery. A chapel and a tower, built on the place where he landed, have transmitted the memory of this miracle to posterity. This relation is taken from the bull of his canonization, and the earliest historians of his life. The king became a sincere convert, and governed his conscience, and even his kingdoms, by the advice of St. Raymund from that time till the death of the saint.

Both miracles are venerated by honest sincere Christian faith as having factually happened.

A. Form the view of an outsider; how does a non-Christian tell which of the above miracles (if any) are factually true? Why are both stories not just recorded examples wishful thinking?

B. How does one Christian faith (Catholicism) know historical truth by faith; while another Christian faith (Protestantism) knows the same historical truth to be a pious religious fraud? {How can Protestants attack with faith miracles (which Catholics believe to be true) as pious lies (St. Raymond via Negative Criticism), but immediately reverse themselves and claim to know historical truth with the same faith (Jesus’ Resurrection via Positive Criticism)?}

9 comments:

busterggi said...

Most Christians have no idea how much has changed in their official traditional beliefs over time.

Thecla was once extremely popular & officially accepted, now is virtually unknown & mostly officially dissed. And there are hundreds of similar saints & miracles that have come & gone.

Yet believers always believe that their religion is unchanged & unchanging. And they refuse to be educated out of this attitude, even their apologists.

feeno said...

Buster

Please tell me what are my "official traditional" beliefs as a Christian.

I will give you props on Thecla, I have no Idea who he is. But I will google him later.

But since Christ rose from the dead (2000 yrs ago)the Gospel message that He was born, died and rose again has never changed.

Peace out, feeno

feeno said...

Buster,

I just googled him and found him to a a her.

Thanx, feeno

Mark Plus said...

I've wondered lately how Protestants became atheistic towards the Virgin Mary and all the saints Catholics have prayed to for centuries. Protestants can believe that historical individuals with those names worshiped the Jewish and christian god, led exemplary lives and even died as martyrs; but Protestants don't believe that these long-dead biblical figures or early christians became powerful supernatural beings in the afterlife who can hear christians' prayers and intercede with god on their behalf. Protestants have to defy a powerful body of tradition in the Catholic Church (miraculous healings attributed to prayers to saints and such) to come to that position.

Anebo said...

How can you disrespect Thekla? the poor girl was condemned by a corrupt Roman judge to be eaten alive by seals (that's right seals), from whom God saved her by striking their tank with a thunder bolt.

Harry H. McCall said...

Great point, Mark Plus!

Protestants are basically Religious Atheist.

busterggi said...

Feeno, you are in desperate need of a history lesson if you don't know how the dogma of your religion evolved.

Ever hear of Marcion? Arius? Ebionites? Docetism? The Council of Nicea & the arguments that took place during it? Gnostics? Cathars? The Inquisition? The Burning Times? The Anglican Church & its origins? The Reformation? The Millerites? The Mormons (c'mon. you must know about them at least!)?

Do at least a little research before diving into a pool of sharks like you've done.

Greg Mills said...

We all know that TRUE apostolic Christianity began at the Betheny Calvary Tabernacle Family Faith Bethel Church , off of Route 9, just past the Dew Drop Inn.

feeno said...

Buster

Your right, I don't know about Marcion or Arius, are they the ones that are gonna tell me what my "official traditional beliefs" are.

Thanks Nemo, I mean scary shark guy.