Jeremiah Wright's Post 9-11 Sermon.

Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama has rejected the comments of his preacher in the clip below. What do you think of it in context?


In the first place, I have always liked how the Black churches mixed their preaching with politics. It helped spur on the Civil Rights revolution at a time when evangelicals had an uneasy conscience about doing so, which Carl F.H. Henry wrote about.

But did you notice that as soon as Jeremiah Wright mentioned Malcolm X and began with the word "chicken..." that his audience already knew what he was about to say? He had used that phrase before about America. And he is correct about the abuses America has heaped on Native and African Americans, along with others, in many ways. But do you know who is to be blamed for these abuses? Not atheists. We weren't in charge. Christians were. And while he did use the word "enemies" to describe those who attacked us on 9/11, I saw no condemnation by him of those who did it. It's as if Americans were to be blamed for what happened. Like we deserved it, or something.

And did you notice that his first response to this terrorist attack was to seek a closer relationship with his God, which is pathetically ironic. For that same God was the one who purportedly spoke the words of Psalm 137 where people should be happy to dash babies against the rocks. Why would he, or anyone, seek refuge in a God who was pleased with the very horror he now must preach against to his congregation? That does not make sense to me at all! The proper response is what Sam Harris did. He began writing a book calling for “the end of faith.” And instead of Jeremiah Wright's hope that the churches would continue to be filled after 9/11, there has been a backlash against religion in general with the present atheist revolution. This backlash is indeed the proper response. After 9/11 I'm happy to be a part of it. Have done then with Psalm 137 as God's word. It isn't. And neither is the Koran or any other holy book. It's all bunk. We can live better as human beings without them.

15 comments:

bart willruth said...

Back in 1980, I belonged to a church (All Nations Church), for a short time which was heavily influenced by liberation theology and a high degree of ethnocentricity under the leadership of a pastor from the U of Chicago divinity school.

The kind of theology guiding Jeremiah Wright is throughly infused with Marxism under the cover of Christianity. It has very little in common with traditional Christianity and is mostly political in nature. It uses a Jesus who stands up for the oppressed against their oppressor. It is radical. It is collectivist. It is potentially violent and revolutionary. Nice guys like Fidel Castro and Ortega are heroes of these guys.

It does no good whatsoever to show adherants of liberation theology the weaknesses in the Bible, Christian claims in general, or anything problematic in theism in general. This is because it is a political movement in the guise of a religion. This is why Obama's church could give a lifetime achievement award to Nation of Islam leader Farrakhan. He and they share common goals and have a common enemy, the white race.

Liberation theology and Afrocentrism so infuse that church that it would be utterlly impossible for Obama to be unaware of it or to sit through it if in disagreement. Wright's thought on race and oppression colors every part of his thinking.

I would encourage anyone interested to go to the church's website and browse through the Marxist and racist material there for all to see. The online bookstore is full of it.

Bart Willruth

goprairie said...

"I have always liked how the Black churches mixed their preaching with politics. It helped spur on the Civil Rights revolution "
kinda how churches now mix their preaching with politics to prevent same sex marriages and spread hatred of gays, how they mix their preaching with politics to stop stem cell research funding because they think it has something to do with abortion, how they mix their religion with politics to debunk global warming because they want to insist god is in charge of climate change? religion can meddle in government and society and get it right every now and then, but mostly it just meddles in harmful ways and out to stay out of politics and government in every way. as if that were possible. and that is the rub - someone's religion has an influence on restricting the rights of others on a contant and ongoing basis because you cannot truly separate all religion out of government and politics.

Don said...

I'm happy to see this. It seems that we have a difficult time hearing the obvious. I have some problem with the moralistic tone -- I don't like the cloak of religion on any discourse -- but the pastor made really excellent points. Although I never liked Ron Paul I found it irritating when his most sane comments, those about America's complete obtuseness in the middle east, particularly concerning Palestinians, were denounced as "blame America" speech.

Will we ever have a thoughtful public discourse? I'm not banking on it.

Jamie Steele said...

Bart,
Great Comment in my opinion!
Well done.

exapologist said...

One of my complaints about the media on this issue is its maddening selectiveness: the press aren't houding McCain about his endorsement of religious nuts (e.g., Robertson and Fallwell) whose remarks make Obama's pastor look like a piker.

Nightmare said...

Yknow, I don't have a single problem with this. Aside from the religious bs, everything Wright said was (no pun intended) right. We as a country have been crapping on the world population indiscriminately (mainly all those "brown people" - nice coincidence huh) for the entire history of the country, but now that they strike back, oh hells that's just the most horrible thing in the world. As they say, payback's a bitch.

And btw - for the information of individuals like Bart - I happen to be a white guy (almost entirely German ancestry).

Obama '08

Brother Crow said...

I am so tired of people like nightmare bitching about how horrible this country is. In comparison with other nations throughout history, the US represents the near-pinnacle experience of genuine liberty and the freedom of its citizenry to pursue whatever course of action they desire as long as it does not violate the "social contract." Have "we" messed up...yes. We are animals with the capacity for rational thought, so that will happen. But as we are "crapping" on some countries, we are pouring billions of dollars of aid (from government and private sources) to nations that have been our "enemies" and are now faced with disaster (think: tsunami). The American political and cultural dynamic made possible the rise of men like Martin Luther King, and Jeremiah Wright, and Barak Obama. They don't hate America...they passionately "crazy love" its potential, and their hearts break with anger and agony over the injustices that do occur - in violation of the spirit of this country.

And our country's most brilliant foundational move was giving people the freedom not to believe and be punished for it. Historically, while some Christian and other type of believers have been punished for their beliefs, atheists/agnostics and even alternative theists were murdered, tortured and moved to a far fringe of society. The founders of this nation - in tying government hands in establishing religion - gave freedom to those who practiced no religion to come out of the shadows.

Despite what the radioheads and pastor-maniacs say, the USA was and is the first truly secular society.

And has daily experience will show, we "animals with reason" often find our reason taking a holiday when confronted with our instinct. Thus, bombs are dropped, babies are butchered, and reality shows are created. Caw!

Shygetz said...

Despite what the radioheads and pastor-maniacs say, the USA was and is the first truly secular society.

I beg to differ; the USA was one of the first truly secular governments; the society is and always has been deeply infused with religion (although not as deeply as some other countries).

Shygetz said...

The kind of theology guiding Jeremiah Wright is throughly infused with Marxism under the cover of Christianity...It is collectivist.

Er, read the New Testament lately? They didn't pull the "collectivist" stuff out of their bums. While I am not an admirer of liberation theology (surprise surprise), I cannot accuse it of being non-traditional due to an emphasis on collectivism. Every account of early Christianity I've read always discusses the highly collectivist nature of the churches, not to mention Jesus' teachings themselves.

Capitalist Jesus is a lie.

bart willruth said...

Shygetz said,

Er, read the New Testament lately? They didn't pull the "collectivist" stuff out of their bums. While I am not an admirer of liberation theology (surprise surprise), I cannot accuse it of being non-traditional due to an emphasis on collectivism. Every account of early Christianity I've read always discusses the highly collectivist nature of the churches, not to mention Jesus' teachings themselves.

Capitalist Jesus is a lie.


Vis a vis collectivism, I agree with you completely. Collectivism/socialism is the application of Christian morality into secular law. And yes, Jesus was no capitalist.

Where I was going with the claim that liberation theology has very little in common with traditional Christianity is in its doctrinal/proclamation stance. Liberation theology isn't too worried about saving souls or the traditional categories of doctrinal theology. It is a leftist political movement operating under the umbrella of Christianity, claiming its perceived moral authority to expound a message of revolution.

Harry McCall said...

As of yet, I've not been given a good reason why the U.S. was in Viet Nam.

I so told that "Godless Communism" was taking over the free world and must be stopped. "If we loose Viet Nam, we'll be fighting the communist in Mexico next" (and just look at Cuba).

Remember the old slogan: "I'd rather be Red than Dead."

Rev. Wight has some good points, but only in the free world can he bit the hand that feeds him!

Brother Crow said...

Shygetz, thanks for that rebuttal. I agree, and actually meant to say that. Our society is culturally one of religious indoctrination at almost every level (and has done an amazingly scary job of combining christian religion and patriotism)...but our government - at least in foundation and sometimes in operation - is secular. So, yes, right on, and thanks!

Nightmare said...

I never said America was horrible Brother Crow. I said exactly what you did - that we have "messed up" in the course of our history. Does that mean I hate this country? Bullshit. I love this country and I'd rather live here than anywhere on the planet. BUT I, unlike some, acknowledge that historically we are not perfect and have done some pretty crappy things. Do I think we have to somehow make amends for such things - HELL NO. I do however think we have a responsibility to learn from the past and not let such happen again. Further I think it is childish to expect that one's actions (as an individual or as a nation) will no have reprecussions. We have seen that is not the case under 8 years of cowboy Georgie.

The second that the state is made perfect and beyond reproach is when the line between patriotism and fascism is crossed. That in it's essence is what "we" (acknowledging I am merely a reader, not a contributor) here at DC are fighting against - fascism - religious fascism yes, but fascism none the less.

Or am I wrong?

Former_Fundy said...

Excellent comments Bart.

I agree. Obama cannot pretend that he didn't know what was being taught in his church of 20 years. To me, he is very scary. I certainly hope the public is not so ignorant as to elect him. Not that there are any other good choices but my god, he is the worst candidate possible, IMO.

I agree that the US is experiencing this Jihad from the crazy Muslims due to our policies of supporting Israel and then even more importantly having troops on the ground in Saudi Arabia in Gulf War I. This is what Bin Laden claims was the impetus for his Jihad.

I am not sure what you do now. The pandora's box is opened and I don't think it can be closed.

Mikayla Starstuff said...

What do I think of it in context? I think that in context this guy had a lot of good points. America is a great country but it has messed up royaly at times. There will be repercussions for those times we have messed up--there are always consequences. And in times like this we should examine ourselves, even if not in the religously charged way that Wright endorses.

Media sound bytes suck. Context makes all the difference. I don't even know why I give the mass media talking heads even a second of my time anymore.