You Want to Personally Attack Me? Do it Here!

I delete harassing comments. They are not conducive to a free and civil discussion of ideas. I will suspend our comment policy and allow them in this post only. You want to personally attack me. Do it here. No comment will be deleted...none. I'll try to respond as I have time. Get it off your chest once and for all. I am inured from such attacks without being indifferent.

35 comments:

Joseph said...

Boy, this should be entertaining. Let the idiot parade begin.

Anti Atheist said...

Frankly, John, I am impressed that you would set up a thread like this.

My respect for you, which I always had to some degree or I wouldn't bother to criticize, has gone up.

Frankly, when you consider Frank Waltons site, he does not even allow comments to be made...a least you allow them, and let them stay for a while, even if you delete them later.

Its a shame though John that your life got derailed, you really could have helped the cause of Christ.

Its been said elsewhere, and is not original with me, but anyone can join...or return...to the Lords side.

Humanity itself is seldom so forgiving.

John W. Loftus said...

Thanks Anti-Atheist, and to think I didn't like you. We'll see, but I must go away for the evening. I'll read any comments and respond if necessary when I get back...enjoy.

Remember, I admit I'm a flawed human being, but what does that have to do with any of the arguments I make? As a former counselor in the churches I served I know what Christians are really like inside, and I suspect the ones pointing the finger at me are not any better than me. We are all flawed human beings. Personal attacks aimed at mutually flawed human beings will not get us anywhere. So why not just stick to the arguments, pro and con?

Anti Atheist said...

Of course you are a flawed human being.
So am I, in spades.
But the problem is that hate, and I think there is a lot of it here, is not only wrong but distorts the reason.

If nothing else, it can lead to mistakes and underestimating your opponent, and I have certainly done my share of that.

But one thing is true, nnd that is that I am NOT Walton.

He is another one who has been derailed, but could have been a contender.

John W. Loftus said...

Okay then AA. Shall I take your word for it? I'll try.

John W. Loftus said...

Hate? I do not hate any Christian. I may dislike a few of them who treat me with disrespect, but I don't hate anyone. There is no hate running through my veins. They view me as an insidious monster trying to send people to hell, but I see myself as helping people break free from their Christian brainwashing.

WoundedEgo said...

uJohn Loftus is a bad person. He is a blasphemer. He is gross. God HATES him. His mother hates him.He is going to HELL. His feet are ALREADY WARM but due to his SPIRITUAL INSENSITIVITY he doesn't know it. He is like a frog, but his skin is like that of a TOAD. He is ugly, cruel and UNGODLY. He farts in his sleep, offending his wife and children, and DOES NOT EVEN WAKE UP TO APOLOGIZE. His grasp of the Trinity is like that of a little girl - no - of a retarded little girl - with Muscular Dystrophy! When he is driving his car, he picks his nose CONSTANTLY. No one excpet me knows about this because I happened to pull up next to him at a red light. There he was. His finger was shoved WAAAAY up there... to the second knuckle. When he was young, he peed his bed. He is a dog. No, a vermin. No, a...a... louse! NO! A tick! He is demon possessed - or he was, but the demons could not stand the stench of his putrid body...

How am I doing, John? Hey, that was fun. I don't even know you, personally, but I LOVE to do the "righteous indignation" thing!

Bill Ross
http://bibleshockers.blogspot.com

John W. Loftus said...

Bill, I'm glad not to have left yet to see that. I think you have most of the bases covered. ;-)

You made my day!

Shygetz said...

I happen to know for a fact that John smells of elderberries.

Caleb Wimble said...

In addition to the previously mentioned elderberry stench, all evidence seems to indicate that his father was a hamster.

Joseph said...

Should we turn this into a fundraiser? You know, like a good, old-fashioned pie-in-the-face?

bpabbott said...

aa wrote: anyone can [...] return...to the Lords side.

I thought the lord was on everyone's side.

Is is men that draw lines that divide men.

Eric said...

This isn't nearly as exciting as I'd hoped. C'mon, where are the trolls!

bpabbott said...

My experience is that trolls only present themselves when they are uninvited :-(

WoundedEgo said...

I tried as hard as I could but could not think of anything as bad as the stench of elderberries. Kudos. Old folks insulted along with natural stench all in one bad breath...

Bill Ross
http://bibleshockers.blogspot.com

Joseph said...

"This isn't nearly as exciting as I'd hoped. C'mon, where are the trolls!"

Cuz their slimy lil' cowards.

HeIsSailing said...

Eric says:
This isn't nearly as exciting as I'd hoped. C'mon, where are the trolls!

They dare not attack John Loftus. It only makes him *stronger*. ;-)

Jason said...

Didn't this used to be a site about debunking Christianity? Since when did it turn into a 'people who feel sorry for atheists' blog? ;)

Lee Randolph said...

maybe they'll come out overnight and skulk around in the dark.

Joseph said...

Jason said: "Since when did it turn into a 'people who feel sorry for atheists' blog? ;)"

In the immortal words of the Rolling Stones:

So if you meet me
Have some courtesy
Have some sympathy, and some taste
Use all your well-learned politesse
(Sympathy for the Devil)

Jim Jordan said...

Peraonally attack you? The thought has never crossed my mind, because I am a Christian. However, I would recommend losing the cowboy hat if I were you. Makes you look like the atheist version of the Flying Nun....

zilch said...

Now that was a low blow, Jim: criticizing a man's hat! Pretty funny, but not really visceral enough.

Where's Frank Walton when you need him? C'mon Frank- show us what a real he-man Christian can do: insult John's nipples!

Divided By Zer0 said...

Quick! Someone break up the YoMomma jokes :P

I don't think the trolls will come here however. As others said, they only come when not invited and when they have something to quote-mine, word-twist and flat out misunderstand.

knerd said...

Increasingly I have come to see that literal fundamentalism and secular rationalism are much more alike than they are different--in a very profound and fundamental way.

I guess that shows that the Enlightenment was not always so enlightening.

Both sides generally seem to have an aversion to, an ignorance of or a deficit in acquiring a comfort level in the use and understanding of such things as metaphor, similie, paradox and parable.

Since poetics can sometimes say things in a way that prose cannot, I will use a few short lines from a Wordsworth poem to illustrate my point. Both rationalists and fundamentalists speak the same language, and an example of this can be seen in the poet's description of one Peter Bell who observes that

A primrose by a river's brim
A yellow primrose was to him,
And it was nothing more.


The attitude revealed by the poet here is one that must become dormat or vestigal in order for a more useful version of reality to inform us.

Fundamentalist relgion and objective science are not the only path. Poetry, art, creativity, metaphor,etc. are vital necessities for human living.

Without them there lies a dangerous impoverishment.

Frank Walton said...

You're a girlie man, Lost-us.

Steven Bently said...

Yo momma's so fat:

she has to use a steam-roller to press her clothes.

John W. Loftus said...

Ouch you guys.....ouch!

I am a girlie man, Frank. The girls love me and my hat. My wife has to fight them off. But she has no worries. I have never been so much in love as I am with her, and I wish upon everyone the joys I have with her.

Maybe the trolls will bring their accusations today, or maybe not. I suspect they only hit when uninvited, that's why they're called trolls.

As Al Capone said on his death bed, "I'm really not such a bad guy." None of us are.

I suspect I give my critics ammunition since I fire back when fired upon. They already think we atheists are scum bag low life bastards and they know how to push my hot buttons. I only wish I still had the power of the Holy Spirit inside me to use a little more self-restraint when personally attacked! But I don't. ;-)

Corn said...

I don't know what your true motivation was in posting this invitation but it comes off to me as a bit egotist. I would argue that it was predictable that no one would care to criticize you upon your invitation. Perhaps you suspected this as well?

Is this really about giving your detractors a platform, temporary as it may be, or is it about drawing more attention to John Loftus?

Darren said...

inured : "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

King Aardvark said...

John, I am outraged at your use of your middle initial when it matches that of The Decider who is still screwing up your country. I suggest you change it to something else. J, like Homer Simpson, for instance. Wouldn't you rather be something cool like Johnny J. Loftus than something yokelly like John Dubya Loftus?

John W. Loftus said...

Corn, why it's to draw attention to myself, of course. Thanks for noticing.

Inured: 1. vt harden somebody to something: to make somebody used to something unpleasant over a period of time, so that he or she no longer is bothered or upset by it

Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Darren said...

Yeah, John, I know what inured means. Problem is, that doesn't seem to describe you when it comes to criticism. You spend an awful lot of time trying to defuse the criticism sent your way instead of simply letting it roll off your back. You say you're inured, but your actions tell a different story.

Edward T. Babinski said...

Dear Darren,
I could not access your profile. We know who Loftus is, we know what he says and what he looks like, even where he lives. If you are afraid to reveal anything about yourself, then may I ask why?
Sincerely curious,
Ed

Manifesting Mini Me (MMM) said...

God created you to be intelligent and attractive. (I hope that attack was not too traumatic!).

goprairie said...

do you have boots to go with that hat? show us your boots!