Jesus never killed anyone, he never raped anyone. He never profited from his ministry.There were many magicians in Jesus' time.Christians do not kill other people or wear suicide bombs.You cannot compare the muslim religion with the Christian faith.Pauls wrote about jesus decades after his death.There are a lot of may have beens.Word of mouth is harder to discredit.Again there are a lot of "may haves".Actions are more important than beliefs? What motivates action?This is athiest propaganda.Your not looking good here John by using this type of media to debunk Christianity. All of these issues are old and have been addressed countless times. Again, I thought you were the real deal. You dissapoint me. Now I can tell you are running scred. Hey try some real intellectual work and take on Carl. There's a challenge for you.He's posted here and even Valerie can't respond to him. No one else has either. You all have to understand that Carl is not alone, their are many Christians like him who are very reasonable and rational more so than any of you, and thier reason and rationality comes from their faith in something you all try and debunk. Here we have all of you. You say you are all so smart and intellegent precisely becasue you are not Christian a don't believe in God.Then we have Carl, who, none of you have the mental ability to address and he is a Christian.It's not looking good for you guys.Propaganda, what is this vietnam. You think some 4 minute propagand video expoundind arguments that have been refuted time and time again is going to debunk Christ?That's irrational.
To answer your question, no, I don't think a 4 minute video will convince anyone. Yet, it's done well. Tell Carl to actually respond to a post and we'll deal with him. As it stands it looks like he just likes to see himself write.
"Christians do not kill other people or wear suicide bombs."They just kill doctors with guns and Africans with ignorance.
"They just kill doctors with guns and Africans with ignorance."Who ya kidden man? More bogus facts.Hey, Carl has addressed many issues on this blog, perhaps you don't have the ability to understand what he is saying.
For glog:Christian anti-abortion activitist guns down doctorCatholic church spreads deadly lies about condoms
Hey B.S. Benny, did you hear about that kid who killed all those other kids at Virginia tech and left a video were he said he hated Jesus Christ?Two can play at you PETTY game man.Again you disappoint me. More propaganda.Come on who ya foolin? Yourself that's who.
***Ick, that was some atrocious HTML tagging by me. Hopefully this one works correctly. Admins, please feel free to remove the buggy ones!***glog said:did you hear about that kid who killed all those other kids at Virginia tech and left a video were he said he hated Jesus Christ?You mean Seung-Hui Cho, who was raised a Christian?The guy who wished to have an inspirational death like Jesus Christ?I haven't found mention of any video where he said he hated JC. Where did you hear this claim? Or did you make it up all by yourself?You said Keith's statement that Christians kill doctors with guns and Africans with ignorance was bogus, so I gave you evidence of both. Now I'm responding to your false statements about the Virginia shooting. If you want to accuse me of spreading propaganda, maybe you should first do some fact-checking, stop spouting falsehoods?
What's all this conversation about Seung-Hui Cho for?Why are you bringing this tragedy into your conversations?I don't care who are Christians or who are Atheists. I don't care what a Christian is or what an Atheist is. I've been reading these letters for a little while. I don't know why. I thought I might learn something from someone.I see troubled people on both sides of these disputes. Why do you have to smear tragedies like Virginia-Tech all over the place and use them as arsenal in your letters. That is outright disrespectful to all the people who are surviving this tradedy.Seung-Hui Cho was a very emotionaly distrubed mentally ill person with a lot of pain and he wanted to transfer that pain to other people. Many people suffered and are still suffering for what happened there. The way you ALL seem to want to hurt one another is apparent from reading your letters. This site is an ugly place. I am sure that many hurt people are here. You ALL should seek some professional help and soon. One side says they are Christian and the other says they are Atheists. But when reading your letters to one another I can't tell the difference. The hate and anger and pain jumps out of your words. We are all human beings. If we can not learn to live together in peace then we will die together in war. I am not going to visit this site again. There is nothing here but anger and hatred and pain. I want to tell ALL of you just to stop it. Leave this place. It is a dark dark place.John W. Loftus. You should scrap this site and start anew. Something with a sense of respect and decency for ALL. I cannot stress enough the sadness that has come over me from reading the letters you all wrote. I wonder if there is any hope for the human race at all.
Respect and Decency? Sounds like code words for 'Oh please don't say bad things about religion.' Anything that doesn't deserve respect should not be given it. End of story.
EROS:I hope you were not negatively affected by a recent -- and I assure you, very untypical -- dispute that I featured in very prominently. (You will see that the majority of the commenters appeared only in that thread.)As for the attempt -- made more from the Christian side, but some of us are guilty as well -- to use tragedies like the VT shootings or the Holocaust as weapons, I agree with you that this is regrettable. I hope that none of us on either side would consider, seriously, that either religion or atheism was to blame for things like this, and our rhetorical use of them deserves condemnation.(I quote Prup's First Law for your benefit: "Whatever side you take on any religious, social, political, or sexual controversy, you'll have some idiots agreeing with you.")In fact, the debate here frequently does get heated, but I think most contributors have respect for many of those on the other side. I may disagree with them, but one thing I've enjoyed about being here is meeting and talking with people like Anon 1035, Touchstone, One Wave, richdurrant, and live-n-grace, and were I have the chance to meet them, I'm sure I would ewnjoy their company and I hope they would mine.(I can't say the same about all the contributors. People such as glog would annoy me whichever side they posted on.)
The latest anonymous posted while I was writing, but his sneer is about as useful as is glog's. But the internet attracts trolls -- fortunately it attracts other types as well.
I personally see nothing wrong with taking any event and using it as an illustration of something we may want to make a point about (so long as we are not talking to the victims).Let's say we want to make the point that we ought to treat one another better and we use Seung-Hui Cho to do so? What exactly is wrong with that? If we wanted to make that same point without referring to any tragic event whatsoever, then how would we make that point as forcefully? There are consequences if we don't treat people better, is our point, but without being able to speak about a particular tragic event, then we cannot make that point forcefully. And what better time than when some event like this is fresh on our minds? Let's say instead we talk about the Columbine shootings, and use them to illustrate the same point. People may have forgotten exactly what happened, and there will still be people who will say we shouldn't use it to illustrate our point. I don't get it. Without vivid illustrations of what we're talking about, we cannot talk about the consequences of the failure to do what we ask. To those of you who object, what would you wish any of us to do differently?And this goes for any point we want to make. But these types of lessons are only illustrative of larger arguments, and so not very helpful on either side as far as I'm concerned.
Informative video. Much that is swept uder the table and never discussed openly. Who was Jesus?The commentator ended saying that they believed Jesus did exist but that his life was exagerated. Yes that is a very real possibility. If it were true then the miracles and the return from the dead would be embellishments. I have another possbilibty for who Jesus really was. I am surprised that this possibility was not addressed in the video.Jesus was an alien who had either advance technology or extraordinary psychic powers. There has been much writing on this subject and I am almost convinced that this is a very real possibility.
Yes, I have heard of this. Jesus was an alien so were the angels and so was God. Mary was abducted and artificialy insemenated with alien DNA. Jesus was half alien and half human. King David was also part alien, I don't know if he was half, and that is why Jesus was of the same blood line as David.
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