Islam vs. Christianity

Which faith is more destructive to the civilized world, Islam or Christianity? This is a question I think about from time to time. At first, I thought it was an easy one to answer, but despite deceiving first appearances, the question is not so easily answered. Instead of "Christianity vs. Islam", I selected "Islam vs. Christianity" as the title because the more obvious candidate most would consider to be worse is Islam. Not so fast...

More than anything, Islam is what it appears to be. It is unapologetic about what it is and what it intends to do -- convert the world and kill any and everyone who refuses to go along with it. Islam is a monster, a rabid, hideously ugly, monster, with red glowing eyes, and gray, cold, stinky, scaly skin. It's razor sharp claws and well-used, saber-sized, protruding fangs can be seen from a great distance away. The closer you get to the beast, you begin to hear the threatening, and growling sounds of an angry, snarling, beast. From the very outset, there's no question that this creature is hungry and anxiously hell-bent on making a meal out of you. Islam is openly aggressive, expressly intolerant of the beliefs of others, and suicidally violent, no matter what you hear from the proponents of the more toned down versions of modern Islam who tell us it is a religion of peace. Nonsense. Islam is a dangerous disease of the mind, a disease which must be destroyed before it destroys us.

On the other hand, I'm not being tortured, dismembered, or beheaded for choosing a religion, or lack thereof, with the current flavor of Christianity. I observe one group and find blatant savagery, tribal hatred, and a primitive, diabolical faith -- Islam. Then I observe Christianity, a beautiful faith which seems pleasant, clean, soft-toned, and proper in form and comeliness, but when I look at her underhandedness and manipulation of the world, I am equally appalled at what I see.

In the early 90's, just after my high school graduation, I had a job with Subway. One bright Monday afternoon, I was taking orders and making sandwiches as usual when a nicely dressed saleswoman came in, a knockout in the looks department. I noticed she didn't order anything, but just sat down at a table and waited for the line of customers to die down. I was young and naive at the time, and unbeknownst to me, was having a sales pitch pulled on me. It was very cleverly done. She was a smooth operator, peddling some cologne for men. I later learned one of the bright and shining pendants on her suit coat was an award for the most sales at her company. She worked me like a pro, starting in with polished small talk and ready answers for every reason I had not to buy..."What? You don't wear cologne? Women love cologne. Here, check out this sample, doesn't it smell good?" If she hadn't been so damn attractive, I would have felt verbally assaulted and told her to read the sign on the front door, "No Solicitors!" She didn't succeed in selling me, but sure as hell did a good job trying. When I discovered her intentions, the awestruck-ness went away. Her initial kindness and flirtatious personality, her goodly appearance and apparent interest in talking to me was all a nice facade, a put-on. I was no longer interested in what she had to say.

Christianity is a sweet-talking sales gal too. She can be hard to turn away from until we see her true colors. Underneath, she is not as noble and majestic as her contenders would like you to believe she is.

What kind of words can I use to describe Christianity? None really, the reason being, Christianity's forms are always diverse and changing depending on what angle a given set of her promoters are seeking to fight for.

But I am afraid of her...I'm afraid of one day waking up to a nation where the education departments promote creationism along side evolution, lumping superstition in with science. I'm afraid of our nation having to one day face greater difficulties because of religiously influenced leaders and commanders who feel compelled to put our soldiers in harm's way out of the Christian compulsion to keep helping the Jews fight their wars, while it costs the lives of our boys in green. I'm afraid of getting out of bed one day to find a government that has reverted back to oppressive edicts and judgments, like "Blue Law Weekends" and other unwanted products of biblical influences. I'm afraid to think of all the lives that will be lost if Christianity and her proponents continually stand against stem cell research and other developments of the vital sciences out of foolish superstitious paranoia. I'm afraid to one day open my eyes to find censorship increased and freedom of speech hemmed in, resulting in a greater stifling of liberty. I'm afraid to think of the loads of psychological damage inflicted by parents, pastors, and counselors, upon the kids and young adults in their care, who impose the damaging and restricting principles of New Testament morality and sexuality on their minds. I'm afraid to think that the right-wingers will one day get their wish and have abortion banned, forcing many handicapped children into lives of despair, and bringing more unneeded human lives into this world, weakening it. I'm afraid of growing old and one day being incapacitated by a stroke, and finding others having to wait on me, hand and foot, since euthanasia would be outlawed. This is why I am afraid of Christianity.

These changes would happen slowly, with sleight-of-hand motives and pie crust promises of politicians...subtely and discreetly, with the replacing of rulers, and the making of policies.

When I find myself contemplating the underhanded wiles of Christianity, I am reminded of this quote by Cicero...

"A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly against the city. But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers rustling through all alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears no traitor; he speaks in the accents familiar to his victim, and he wears their face and their garments and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city; he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared."
- Marcus Tullius Cicero, Roman Orator (106-43 B.C.E). “Speech in the Roman Senate.”

Like Cicero's description of the traitor, Christianity is a disarming opponent. Few seem prepared to handle her, and this can make her a greater threat than her vicious and cruel stepchild, Islam.

Then there is another factor involved: influence. We have to ask...which faith, with their dangerous and subversive qualities, can be the most far-reaching? Islam does not hold back their hatred of decency or civility. The powers that be - those countries who value love and peace - will see the beast coming, and knowing it's intentions, will knock the atrocious creature down to size and it will scurry off again to try another day. It is easily watched and tracked, and if kept on a short leash, does little harm. The beast is also poorly funded and it's grubby paws do not have access to the latest and best technologies. They can build gas chambers, but not atomic bombs. Christianity, in contrast, is sly, a seductive whore who sleeps with those in power to gain power of her own. She has greater influence, decadent wealth and funding, and access to the best technology on the planet. Currently, she stands as the most numerous of religions. One could well argue that this puts Christianity in the lead as a more dangerous force to be reckoned with.

So which is worse, the diabolical Beast of Islam or the turncoat Bride of Christ? I can't decide. I can't bring myself to identify either of them as categorically worse than the other. They are both abominations to mankind, and the sooner they perish from the face of the earth, the better.

(JH)

40 comments:

Blu_Matt said...

I've also contemplated this from time to time, and pretty much came to the same conclusions (although they were far less eloquent in my head!)

As far as I'm concerned, the immediate dangers that I face are from the Christian side of things, as this impacts on my daily like now, today, here. I would follow that up with, should it come to pass that Christianity ever pervaded into my own society to such an extent that there every single aspect of life would be affected, then would be time that Islam becomes as dangerous, as neither wants to concede control to the other.

And what sort of state would the world be in then? Who'll win, when they both have God on their side? That's Armageddon.

John W. Loftus said...

I just found a truly sister site. We are ex-christians. They are ex-Muslims. See Apostates of Islam. I placed a link to it in our siderbar, under "Skeptical Links/Blogs."

jazzycat said...

Romans 1:22

Blu_Matt said...

Jazzycat: I was thinking exactly that about Pat Robertson, George W Bush, the Pope, in fact anyone with a Christian bent. Do you have no ability to think for yourself, or are your 'thoughts' limited to what was written by bronze-age mystics?

evanmay said...

“And bringing more unneeded human lives into this world, weakening it.”

This reminds me of some good, old literature: "If they are going to die, they better do so quickly, and decrease the surpluss population."

evanmay said...

John:

That site isn't completely a "truly sister site," for many of the contributors are Christians. I guess that Joe Holman would add that they have only moved from one destructive worldview to another.

I wonder: why haven't you linked to any Muslim sites that seek to debunk Christianity, and desire to see everyone submit to the will of Allah?

BigHeathenMike said...

"And bringing more unneeded human lives into this world, weakening it."

That reminds me of the ending of Jude the Obscure where Little Father Time leaves a note regarding the hanging murder/suicide of the children: "Done because we are too menny."

This post is a very well written argument about the inherent, yet very different styles of evil in each belief system. Nicely done.

The Jewish Freak said...

You may not realize it, but your charge of the US fighting wars for the Jews is highly offensive. Nothing could be further from the truth, and this is the last place I expected to see a typical anti-semetic blood libel. If you are the open-minded skeptic that you claim to be, you wouldn't believe all of the claims you hear from the left without investigation. I suggest that you check this out.

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Daniel said...

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I felt the Spirit move on me, and was given over to praise and worship...

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Jeremy said...

JH & Blu_Matt – I’m not philosopher, but it seems reasonable to me that if you are trying to convince someone that their religion is a load of crap perhaps you should refrain from telling them they are short sighted, sly, treasonous, whores. It doesn’t really help your argument and it is quite frankly an irrational line of reasoning.

The author’s and Blu_Matt’s assumptions are similar to me saying that every American is a murderer because GWB invaded Iraq. It just isn’t true. Nice try though. I’m sure you’ll gain a few believers.

Are some “Christians” short sighted, sly, treasonous, whores? Probably, but other than the actions of a few so called “Christians” how can you make these assumptions about the whole religion?

I’m new to this site. I’ve been reading it for a few weeks now and if this post isn’t deleted I look forward to the debate without fear of personal attacks.

Daniel said...

The Jewish Freak,

No, US troops aren't over there fighting in Israel. We are fighting in Iraq, which funded suicide bombings in Israel for years, and sent large amounts of support for Palestinian terrorism there. But, even though this is rather off-topic, we sure do pay for your own military...I strongly suggest you check out the amount of money and military equipment we've given to Israel since the 70s and re-think your own position. I checked out the site you linked, which had mostly Right-wing politics of every stripe, from abortion to a rant on how GW's war is justified, since FDR led us into war against Germany when only Japan had attacked, and ditto about the pre-emptive wars in North Korea and Vietnam. Some site.

Would Israel be what it is today without our constant influx of money and technology?

But let's move aside from politics, let's stick to metaphysics.

Jeremy,

Your comment won't be deleted. Very very very few ever are. We welcome dissent and dialogue. Perhaps you could engage us on a thread within which you feel the arguments and points are more religion-directed and less personally "attacking"? There are many here for such a purpose.

Joe E. Holman said...

The Jewish Freak said...

"You may not realize it, but your charge of the US fighting wars for the Jews is highly offensive. Nothing could be further from the truth, and this is the last place I expected to see a typical anti-semetic blood libel. If you are the open-minded skeptic that you claim to be, you wouldn't believe all of the claims you hear from the left without investigation. I suggest that you check this out."


First, I am no leftist. I'm not a rightist either. I am a staunch independent. Second, I have a decent grasp of political knowledge, nothing to brag about, but decent. I research everything I write before I write it. If I am found to be wrong, I'll gladly stand corrected. The reference you are taking offense to was a small side point in my article, and a summation of a fact about what motivates America -- Christian religion. Christianity was being faulted, not Judaism. Whether it's in the past or present, Christianity, Judaism, and Islam end up creating factions and wars. Always has been this way. The very reason you are taking issue with this is because your people are in a religious holy war over land and religion. It should sicken you. Third, I am no where close to anti-semitic. It's just that you guys tend to see everything as anti-semitic. It sounds like a classic projection of the old Persecution Complex. You know, in this stupid, paranoid day and age, even if you don't like rap, you're basically a racist! Get off persecution and racism claims. They've lost their power because everyone has abused them. Fourth, the US is fighting Jewish wars for them in some very real ways. At least, that's what it amounts to. By talking about fighting the Jew's wars for them, I was talking about the US's Christian compulsion to support and help Jewish causes because of Jesus and their belief that he is returning to re-establish the Kingdom on Earth, save the Jewish people...the throne of David...etc. Just listen to John Hagee, who represents most of orthodox Christianity on this. I catch the Dennis Prager and Michael Medved shows quite often, and callers call in vouching for the need to bless and help Israel financially and otherwise. I heard a commercial about this very subject just the other day. Tons of campaigns are being run with these goals in mind. You can't even turn on TBN without all those religious commercials about cruises to the Holy Land with Pastor so-and-so.

You don't think all this influences American thought and war motives, especially when some profit is involved (aka "oil")??? You don't think Bush's "God told me to invade Iraq" thinking had something to do with this??? Think again, my friend. I once published an article by an Orthodox Jew when I was editor of the College Hill Counselor on how much Christians have done for Judaism, and that's why, he said, all Jews should praise the US's efforts. This obsession saturates our leadership and filters down into their decisions. We've done so much in those holy land disputes, I couldn't list it all here. Israel and the US are superclose allies for obvious religious reasons.

I think you realize this and only take offense to the part about Israel needing the help to fight off those Islamic savages over there. I can't help that.

Aside from basic surveilance to watch for growth of terrorist training camps and weapons of mass destruction (as all nations should be concerned with to a degree), being over there and supporting these efforts is none of our government's business. My nation's leader talking about putting democracy to the savages involves us in a war that has been dressed up to be about a lot of other things than what it really is about: religion and oil. Christianity plays a tremendous part in this and gets many of our people killed. That was my point.

Superstition, as it always has done, ends up promoting hatred and war. I wish it weren't so.

(JH)

Joe E. Holman said...

Jeremy said...

"I’m not philosopher, but it seems reasonable to me that if you are trying to convince someone that their religion is a load of crap perhaps you should refrain from telling them they are short sighted, sly, treasonous, whores. It doesn’t really help your argument and it is quite frankly an irrational line of reasoning."

A mark of good writing is descriptive writing. I'd like to think I'm doing alright in that area, but apparently you are having trouble understanding it. I am not saying "Christians are whores" or making personal character attacks. I am describing group behavioral traits with characterizations (I believe accurately so) in my article. I am not attempting to attack or profile any given individual, but being that this is a blog dedicated to debunking Christianity, we just may do some of that.

(JH)

Jeremy said...

Let me begin by saying thank you for the opportunity to question and critique your beliefs. This is one of the things that attracted me to this blog. I consider opening ones beliefs up to be criticized as an indication of a search for the truth and I respect that regardless if I agree with you. The last paragraph of my original post was sort of tongue in cheek. My apologies for not allowing you to get to know my sense of humor a little bit better.

I would also like to clarify that I am not insulted or offended by your “descriptive writing.” My original point was that some people would be and I don’t think stereotypes are the best ways to prove your point.

JH - You're right, I don't understand. You say that you are using “descriptive writing” to describe “group behavioral traits with characterizations” yet then you claim that you are not calling the individuals those very names. It seems to me if you describe a group with those words you are in effect applying it to the individuals of the said group. The group is the individual. No individual, no group.

You’re also right that this is a blog and you can write whatever you want. As I stated before I applaud you and the rest of the people associated with this blog for putting your ideas and beliefs out there for other people (like me) to question.

Some of us Christians believe that the “organized” institutions have failed and these large religious institutions have created doctrine and teachings contrary to the original teachings of the founders. Some of us also believe that Christianity is more of a personal religion rather than the one used by the religious right in America. Not all of us are sly or treasonous. Some of us just want to worship our God in peace and in our own way.

One of you mentioned a set of moral beliefs earlier in this string of comments. I agree that it seems that most humans have something inside of us that drives us to make the right decisions most of the time. In my opinion Christianity affords me the opportunity to further develop those good qualities. Perhaps it doesn’t work for some of you and in my opinion that is fine. Each individual has to make up their own mind about what to believe and what helps them further develop those qualities that build up society rather than destroy it.

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy said...

I just like the fact that the anti-semitic Christians who make movies such as The Passion of the Christ (which, of course, calls Jews "Christ-killers" if you watch it with the correct filter lens, wink wing) magically decide to fight all the wars on behalf of the Jews. It's as logical as a Dan Brown novel, and even more entertaining!

Of course, we wouldn't want to point out that maybe the reason the US supports Israel is because, up until the Iraq war changed things, Israel was the only democracy in the Middle East. Nah, that couldn't possibly be the reason. We wouldn't ever base our foreign policy on something like that--it has to be Christians and oil. After all, some Christians annoint people with oil! THE TRUTH COMES OUT!!!

But don't let the truth be filtered by facts. Like let's forget about how much foreign aid the US sends to Palestinians. After all, that won't help support our argument that Christians are Jewish sycophants (except when they are making movies, when they turn into raging anti-semites). And let us forget that in Bosnia, the United States was fighting on behalf of...the Muslims. Oops. They must have thought they were Jews.

But don't worry. I know you won't let a little thing like facts get in the way of your beliefs. That's why you're atheists.

John W. Loftus said...

I don't talk about my political beliefs here much at all. I visited Israel in 1989, and I stayed in the homes of some Jewish people. While I do think conservative Christians support the Jews no matter what, I also know that many Muslims think that Israel should be decimated. I tend to support Israel, but not unthinkingly. They made peace with Egypt, but how do they make peace with a people who are committed to their destruction, like Hamas? There are humanitarian reasons for supporting Israel. They are a lone democracy in that part of the world. But if we stopped helping them they would likely be destroyed. Would that be what it takes to bring peace to that part of the world? Would militant Muslims stop there?

The Jewish Freak said...

Daniel Morgan:

The US (strangely enough) funds the military of Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and the Palestinians. In fact, some of my US tax dollars go towards the weapons that kill my own people. You probably also do not know that Ronald Reagan was one of the biggest contibutors to the Saudi arsenal. Remember that Saudi Arabia is an avowed enemy of Israel. As for the questions of where would Israel be today without the US? You are obviously unaware of the military, technological, and medical advances that originated in Israel that you have benefited from. Are you willing to give those up?

The Jewish Freak said...

JE Holman: Please visit my blog for my response to your comment.

The Jewish Freak said...

J Loftus: You are the voice of reason. Very refreshing.

Joe E. Holman said...

I want to take this time to admit that my statement in this blog article, "I'm afraid of our nation having to one day face greater difficulties because of religiously influenced leaders and commanders who feel compelled to put our soldiers in harm's way out of the Christian compulsion to keep helping the Jews fight their wars, while it costs the lives of our boys in green.", was unjustified.

It is NOT true that we are fighting and dying for Jewish wars, and my saying so was a rash overstatement of the issue of Middle East religious violence. This posted comment I made on The Jewish Freak's blog was as follows...

"I don't disagree with most of the things you mentioned here. But I know how Christian fundyism undercuts American motivations.

I still believe dangerous Christian influence plays a big part in the war effort and in foreign affairs. However, I have come to see that my reference to American soldiers fighting and dying in Jewish wars was a bit drastic and overstated, as well as fundamentally inaccurate.

I apologize for any offenses given and will make a complete addendom in my article and comments on the Debunking Christianity Blog. You were right to point out that if this war was religiously aimed, then attacking Iran would be the perfect thing to do. I realize this is correct. I did not intend to convey the idea that religion was all there was to it, but the statement I made was inaccurate nonetheless, and for it I apologize."


I will always believe that our best friends are those who correct us.

(JH)

The Jewish Freak said...

JE Holman is a man of integrity, and I have published an addendum to my blog post saying so. He does not let ego stand in the way of his quest for knowledge, and that is something that we can all learn from, myself included.

Daniel said...

The US (strangely enough) funds the military of Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and the Palestinians.

I'm not surprised at all. We're stealing from Peter to pay Paul. We want oil, and we want democracy. Those two don't really go together in the Middle East. We don't want to have to pick sides, so we play Janus.

In fact, some of my US tax dollars go towards the weapons that kill my own people.

I don't doubt that. They also went to giving Saddam WMDs, which he used against his own people, which we used as justification for going in to invade. Perhaps the move was planned in advance--knowing he would use them in a manner we could then turn around and justify invasion [and oil grab] for.

You probably also do not know that Ronald Reagan was one of the biggest contibutors to the Saudi arsenal.

Actually no, I didn't, but it makes no real difference to me. All the U.S. Presidents have done similar things since the 70s.

Remember that Saudi Arabia is an avowed enemy of Israel.

What Middle East countries aren't?

As for the questions of where would Israel be today without the US? You are obviously unaware of the military, technological, and medical advances that originated in Israel that you have benefited from. Are you willing to give those up?

While I have no doubt that Israel has made scientific and military technological advances which have benefitted us, I dare you to build a list of funding and consider how much the money we've given has purchased us. We could have given a fraction of the same money to our own university system to research and discover the same science.

Look, TJF, I am not an anti-Semite. I am not pro-Palestine, or anything of the sort. I am, in fact, a bit isolationist with regards to foreign policy. However, our country has and will always try the Janus technique to get what we want: oil and democratic-support-in-the-form-of-lip-service-and-money

I'm sorry that things are that way. However, in the beginning of the article, you seemed to ignore the basic military subsidies that the US has provided to Israel for 30 years. I know you aren't that dumb. Juxtaposing this war-welfare against war-welfare we give other countries doesn't make it "better". I wish we would settle for the punches our economy would take for us to transition fully into a non-Middle-Eastern-only oil policy. They have increased the supply of oil from the West considerably over the last decade, but it will have to increase considerably more.

Now, my piece is said. Can you get back to the issue of Islam versus Christianity now? Write away on your own blog about politics and such. Do you have something to say in defense of the religion of Judaism as a rational worldview? Xianity? Islam?

John said...

I'm beyond amazed that anyone could equate common backhandedness and treachery with the wholesale bloody slaughter of anyone who doesn't practice Islam. At least in a country filled with two-faced, backstabbing Christians, you can still breath, eat, sleep, work, and have children. You can't do any of those things if your head has been chopped off for violating Sharia Law. :)

In a large American city, there are numerous Christian churches of various denominations, gay nightclubs, and abortion clinics. In cities controlled by Islam, there are no gay nightclubs or abortion clinics. There are no women's rights. No religious freedom. Christians do live side-by-side with atheists, homosexuals, and abortion clinic doctors in the same apartment complexes. Muslims kill them if they find those people living in Syria.

And you still think that one religion is just as bad as the other? I'll gladly live in a country filled with treachery that I can at least see on occasion and try to fight rather than in a country in which I'm about to be shot by a firing squad for not being a Muslim. At least you have this blog. Would you be permitted to do such a thing to Islam in Saudi Arabia?

This reminds me of what liberal college students were saying on talk radio right after Sept. 11, 2001. After 3,000 or so Americans were killed rather quickly by Muslims, we all read about revenge attacks that might have killed a fraction of that many people, and the hairy sociology majors were saying, "That's just as bad." Yeah, beating someone up or called him a "raghead" is "just as bad" as flying two airliners into the World Trade Center. It's stunning what some people will do to try to avoid criticizing non-white Third World people who happen to be Muslims so that they don't sound racist.

Joe E. Holman said...

John said: "I'm beyond amazed that anyone could equate common backhandedness and treachery with the wholesale bloody slaughter of anyone who doesn't practice Islam. At least in a country filled with two-faced, backstabbing Christians, you can still breath, eat, sleep, work, and have children. You can't do any of those things if your head has been chopped off for violating Sharia Law. :)

In a large American city, there are numerous Christian churches of various denominations, gay nightclubs, and abortion clinics. In cities controlled by Islam, there are no gay nightclubs or abortion clinics. There are no women's rights. No religious freedom. Christians do live side-by-side with atheists, homosexuals, and abortion clinic doctors in the same apartment complexes. Muslims kill them if they find those people living in Syria.

And you still think that one religion is just as bad as the other? I'll gladly live in a country filled with treachery that I can at least see on occasion and try to fight rather than in a country in which I'm about to be shot by a firing squad for not being a Muslim. At least you have this blog. Would you be permitted to do such a thing to Islam in Saudi Arabia?

This reminds me of what liberal college students were saying on talk radio right after Sept. 11, 2001. After 3,000 or so Americans were killed rather quickly by Muslims, we all read about revenge attacks that might have killed a fraction of that many people, and the hairy sociology majors were saying, "That's just as bad." Yeah, beating someone up or called him a "raghead" is "just as bad" as flying two airliners into the World Trade Center."



My reply: You got it all wrong, friend! NO, I would not rather live in Syria or any other Muslim countries. Not in a thousand years, and for the same reasons you cited!

Yes, if my feet were to the fire, I would say that Islam is worse than Christianity overall, but for different reasons. On a global scale, there is little Islam can do except fight. But they can't fight everyone. They can't go to war with everybody, or even most of the nations they'd like to. They'd be crushed.

Christianity, on the other hand, can keep influencing and motivating and do more harm in the long run. That's what my article explains. Yes, Muslims can blow up a few buildings and set off some bombs, but tyranny in policy making goes much further. If you read my article, you know I gave plenty of examples as to how this will (and does)encroach on our freedoms. This is dangerous because like Cicero said, the traitor is not perceived to be as dangerous, and therefore can do more long term harm.

John said: "It's stunning what some people will do to try to avoid criticizing non-white Third World people who happen to be Muslims so that they don't sound racist."

My reply: Please, stop! People who know me know I am NOT a liberal and NOT one of those racebaiters who play the race card at every whim or who suck up to Green Peace college professors. I'll criticize who I think needs it. I don't care who likes it or doesn't.

If you want how I feel about the overseas Muslims, I believe they should be blown off the map completely. I wish that whole area over there would be nuked. Those savages must be killed in totality to stop the hatred from moving on to a new generation. Of course, that's not going to happen. Our nation's policies could never go that route now.

I am 100% behind the war on terror and fighting off our enemies. I support my nation proudly - and my president - even though I radically disagree with him on a number of important things. Trust me, I hate those in my country who always end up siding with the terrorists and far leftists on everything. I wish they'd leave. I am not in their camp. I despise the peace-at-all-costs atheist and the pop-bellied sheriff who goes to the Baptist Church and thinks abortionists and homosexuals caused 9/11. They are both idiots in my estimation and both hold dangerous philosophies.

So don't read more into my words than I said. The point I was making was that Christianity can have more devastating effects than Islam in the long term. I know Islam will not be around as long as Christianity will be because Christianity has adopted the cultural progress of civilization. Islam has not and has thus sealed it's fate. As I said in my article, I'm afraid of a time when the bible thumpers get into power and try and swing things like I pointed out.

You and I would agree that on a level of personal freedoms, Islam is by far be the worst menace to the world, but I am thinking in the future, on a much larger scale.

Christians are my idealogical enemies, but Islamists, my idealogical and actual enemies. I loathe and fear them both.

(JH)

Joe E. Holman said...

I said: "If you want how I feel about the overseas Muslims, I believe they should be blown off the map completely. I wish that whole area over there would be nuked. Those savages must be killed in totality to stop the hatred from moving on to a new generation."

But let me clarify, not only is that not going to happen, but it wouldn't solve all that much since they are scattered around the world overseas as they are. I am NOT saying I hate Islamists. I am not capable of truly hating anyone. I believe it is not consistent with my atheistic philosophy (you don't hate a dumb dog for being a dumb dog). The reason the Islamists are the way they are is because their religious teachings make them act like that. It is sad, but short of their extinction, I can't see it going away anytime soon.

(JH)

Tommykey said...

I vote for Islam being the worst. As an atheist, where is it safer for me to live and be what I am, the United States or any Muslim country in the world? The answer to that question is obvious.

An important difference between the Islamic world and the USA and the West is that in the West, there is a distinction between the religious and the secular. While Western governments and political systems were influenced and shaped by their Christian roots, Biblical verses are not themselves the laws we live under. Under Islam, there is no distinction between the civil authorities and the religious authorities. In countries where fundmantalist Islam holds sway, the Sharia is the law, not a civil code.

Islam never had its equivalent of the Thirty Years War that was so bloody and destructive that it was the last war in Europe that had a religious element to it.

Of course, I am concerned about the religious right and its influence in the United States, but I believe that at the end of the day, reason will win out over superstition.

Anonymous said...

You clearly know NOTHING about islam except from what you see from a Television box... I am indeed offended by your little blog. What is it coming out of? Ignorance of Islam and the brainwashing from all of this Al-Qaeda bull, etc. Islam IS the most peaceful religion in the world. When the Christians captured Jerusalem, they slaughtered EVERY SINGLE PERSON living in there including women and children, but when the Muslims retook it, they let the Christians be free and some arabs were even HELPING carry the children out of Jerusalem. In islamic war, you are NOT allowed to kill women and children.. but I guess christianity is different. There ARE extremists out there but there are too in Christianity! If you hear about terrorists, it has NOTHING to do with Islam. Islam is also the most sensible religion in the world. Jesus in fact WAS a Muslim. What does it mean to be a Muslim? Being a Muslim means to submit to one God, which is exactly what Jesus did. Plain and simple. He did not promote people to worship him! You might say that he did from the Bible, which is the most commonly changed book in the world. The Qur'an has never been changed once. The Bible insults other prophets and claims that the prophet Lot slept with his daughters! You call this God's word?

Want me to clear some things up for you?
SUICIDE BOMBING: Suicide = straight to hell = NOT MUSLIM = TERRORISM (Quran)

Shi'as hitting themselves: You arent even allowed to harm yourself in islam... its a sin... = not muslim = retardation

All of you people who think of Islam as "terrorism" are the most IGNORANT AND closed minded people in the world.

Btw how can Jesus die for our sins? That logically makes no sense. Christians say we are born in Sin. Muslims say we are sinless we are born. How the hell are we born with sin anyways?

Christians say you have to be christian to go to heaven, or else you go to hell. Muslims say that you just have to be a good person to go to heaven, but it is HIGHLY preferred to be Muslim.

Muslim isnt as complicated as it seems. Do you submit to One God and not a human being? How is Jesus and God one? GOD created Jesus. Jesus worshipped God He even prayed with his forehead to the ground as Muslims do. The Bible prophesizes Muhammad as the Comforter. It used to be Ahmad, which is Muhammad's name in heaven, but they changed it to the Comforter since the Bible is always changed.

As muslims, we are supposed to read the Bible. But since it has been corrupted for OVER 2000 Years, it is no longer God's word but instead of the dude sitting on his word processor...

That is all I have to say.
Peace be with you all.

Anonymous said...

The Lake of Fire awaits the unbeliever!!!!

Wes said...

Perhaps instead of looking at Christians, who are indeed imperfect and in need of perfection, we should look at that which Christians center their beliefs upon, Jesus Christ.
Most anyone can point out the flaws of a christian and or christian organization, but I would suggest examining Jesus Christ in order to know if Christianity is true or not.
I appreciate your honesty in your blog but as a rule I try to follow this:
"Never judge a worldview from it's abuse, but judge it on the person or concept it is based upon."
So instead of judging a worldview on whether there are hypocrites that follow it (mind you there are hypocrites everywhere) or people who abuse the worldview, we should honestly look at that which that worldview surrounds itself upon. In the Christians case it would be Jesus Christ. You find fault in Him then you can honestly judge the Christian worldview. The rest, I believe will be sorted out by God in the end.
Thank you for your honest thoughts although perhaps being kinder would help make your case.

Gail said...

I think you have been mislead regarding your views of Christianity. You're referring to a cultural phenomenon not the act of serving God. Many claim to be Christians but how many truly and I do mean truly put God's direction first? If they did we would not be dealing with the smooth patter of a clever salesperson peddling some religious man-made idea but rather you would meet someone who's life and outlook was based on God i.e. love. I'm sorry you have had this experience with 'Christians' in the past perhaps you need to be seeking the truth for yourself from God. As for religious viewpoints and hypocrisy check out the following link (readily available teachings from Ayatollah Khomeini, 'Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution'), which I just came across before reading your post and then reflect on your opinion: http://www.homa.org/Details.asp?ContentID=2137352748&TOCID=2083225413

'why said...

Firstly, I am a Westerner. I am atheist and I study both Islam AND Christianity. I have an unbiased point of view.



I cannot believe you clearly intelligent people can be so ignorant about Islam. The topic is Islam vs. Christianity yet you have not done any research further than bais news reports in regards to islam.

Check this link out.

TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS OF ISLAM

http://members.tripod.com/~bimcrot/sv/misc.html

Please, fellow human beings, Do your research so you don't risk embarrising yourself.

P.S You also have got ALOT of things wrong about Christianity.

Kwasi Brooks said...

If theres one thing I truly dislike in this world its ignorance. Just because one generation of Islamic have done wicked deeds in misinterpretation of the Koran doesn't mean that the religion itself is evil. Every ignorant christian says that Islam is blastphemious and evil only because they havent done the reserch. To the people who made this article, have you ever spoken to a muslim? have you ever taken the time out to engauge in a civilized conversation with one? I doubt it. You all seem to 4get that only one generation ago you all were no diffrent. Who began the slave trade? Who pushed the Native American race to near extinction? Who started the first large scale genocide, and killed millions of Jews? Who began the Salem witch trails? All christians. No 1 calls them hellbound idiots. No 1 discredits their religion. The only thing that sets the christians apart from the Islamics nowadays is one generation. That being our parents generation. Werent it for the gap they create the christians of 2day would b no different from the Muslims. I'm a 14 year old, afro-american, muslim and i love and chericsh the Jewish and christian religions just as much as i do my own. So plz dont lable me, my kin, and the rest of my beliefs as evil, and blastphemeous just because of a handfull of ignorant persons. Like christians muslims need time to mature, and fully understand what the scripture is really saying. All they need is a little more time to learn and understand as we have and still are today.

djamel said...

islam is purity it is religion of gond a strong power of love.
who don't love islam love satan.
hamdoullah la ilaha ila allah mohamed rassoul allah.
all who hate islam will regret at the day of judgement.
more u hate islam and god more our faith become stronger so thank u for that.

djamel said...

Allah will make islam a winner in the end of judgement even if the ignorants hate Allah then they will see what islam really means more u hate islam and more our faith become more stronger we adore allah god of universe and of every creation

Jeff said...

"Turncoat Bride of Christ" clearly defines the "catholicity" and popery of those who pervert the meaning of Christ's church. Universal, yes, but the true Bride of Christ is so distinguishable from its antichrists, of which you speak in the sense of a security breach from within. The pope is a mastermind of satan; we cannot use the words "priest," "bishop," "pastor" or anything the catholic body of satan has contaminated. These terms are clearly defined for Christ's followers--and it's necessary to give detail of either specific churches or whole religions, because our goal here is to point these false teachers out boldly! One or many who adhere to Christ's final and living legacy are indeed not those of which you speak. None of this is too difficult for us to understand and discern, righteous from unrighteous. Live in God's time already--we only outdate our own.

William Shearer said...

Honestly, I look at it this way. If rabid Christians get power, they will have nukes to spread their doctrine.

Islam doesn't, and likely won't.

Christianity is freaking scary.

6y said...

Joe E Holman: Christianity, on the other hand, can keep influencing and motivating and do more harm in the long run.

I’m sorry but I’m confused. What do you mean by “Christianity”? What is this Christianity? This statement to me does not seem to make sense. How is “Christianity” going to keep influencing and motivating and do more harm In the long run? Does the argument lie in the basis of interpreting mere fallible human actions that some humans have done in some places in the name of “Christianity”? Is not the world made up of individuals, each man different to the next?

Saintslifer said...

So in a perfect world we would all be Atheist. This debate has been ongoing since men had the ability to disagree. I'm right, you're wrong and here's why.

To sway a mans mind is the very reason we exist. A people that all think the same can be very dangerous. History has shown us that time and time again.

Nigel said...

I ask myself to be objective and let the evidence speak for itself..
1 major point I think all Muslims should realize is the actual date that
their faith dates back to, 600 to 700 AD ,it followed Christianity by
plus minus 600 years. I hear over and over again the bible has been corrupted
, no that's false, we have at least 4000 manuscripts to support the new
testament,and the dead sea scrolls to support the old testament.There
are only 2 "original copies" of the Koran one of which has been changed
in the original texts to suite people who found certain words difficult
to understand, also both Korans are different from the Koran used in the home.
Another point, Quote By Dr Jamal Badawi a great Muslim scholar "Muslims
believe that Jesus was not crucified only on the authority of the Koran"
which means simply there is no evidence to support the claim of Islam when
it talks about Jesus not being crucified. Well That contradicts the fact
Jesus was crucified, I say that again "fact",this is a reality to Historians,
simply because the earliest manuscripts or writings of Jesus indicate he was
crucified including external sources outside the Bible by a Greek historian
name Josephus which dates back to 100 AD. So Jesus did die on the cross,
but did He rise again? 75% of Historians say yes based on the evidence we have.
So to me that is more then enough evidence to have complete faith in Jesus Christ
and the Bible and that Jesus Christ is who he claimed to be. So examine the evidence
yourself and look into these issues your soul is at stake, don't believe something
just because your mother and father taught you to believe it. I write this with love.
Take care. For more info email me at stormnigel@yahoo.com.