Reasonable Faith?

In his book Reasonable Faith, Christian author William Lane Craig argues that reason is to play a "ministerial" role in the Christian faith. The problem with this is that it's the biggest proof anyone has ever been given, indeed, that anyone should ever need that Craig is a spin-doctor for the Christian Right. The problem is that reason should be only be to discover facts and testing our understanding of those facts. Reason can be used as a means to an end or as an end in itself. If we let the facts speak for themselves and we seek only to test our understanding of any facts (i.e. how to explain those facts), we are using reason as an end in itself. It's usually when people begin with a conclusion and then look to verify that conclusion, then are they using reason as a means to an end.

The problem here is that one's approach to how to use reason determines if one is an honest inquirer or if one is a spin-doctor. If someone seeks to use reason as an end in itself, that person is an honest inquirer; if someone seeks to use reason as a means to an end, that person is a spin-doctor. The only honest way to use reason is to use it as an end in itself. This is to use it, in theological terms, in a "magisterial" sense. To use reason in a "ministerial" sense, is to use reason as a means to an end, to verify a conclusion you're already committed to. To use reason in a "ministerial" sense is to use it dishonestly. Thus, those who use reason in a "ministerial" approach are abusing reason. They are engaging in what I call "the rape of reason".

Many Evangelical Christians simply display their hypocrisy in condemning "critical New Testament scholars" for ruling out the miraculous before they have given any evidence a honest look and rival hypotheses a fair shake. But if many Christians follow Craig's lead and use reason in a "ministerial" sense, they are guilty of the same damn thing! They have a precommitment to the resurrection, to biblical inerrancy, to Christian theism, and rule out any naturalistic hypotheses before they engage any historical evidence in their studies.

This was brought home to me one night as I was reading Norman Geisler's book Inerrancy. I read a chapter called "Biblical Inerrancy and Higher Criticism". The author condemned the critical-historical approach to the Bible and, instead, advocated a grammatico-historical approach to the Bible. The latter approach begins with the axiom that the Bible is inerrant. What convinced me that apologetics was a sham and nothing but hopeless hackwork was this very chapter. I realized that Christian apologists have no interest in honestly assessing history. If many New Testament critics were dishonest in their approach to any historical investigation of the New Testament, Evangelicals would simply try to reform the critical-historical method so as to not rule out miracles and skewer the results in advanced.

What Evangelicals like Geisler, Archer, and other hacks who contributed to this volume were doing was trying to replace any "naturalistic" presuppositions with those that were biblically-based. This struck me as hypocrisy. How can any Evangelical chew out advocates of the critical-historical method because such a method allegedly rules out the miraculous beforehand and then substitute it for their own method which rules out the naturalistic beforehand and presupposes biblical inerrancy and perhaps the resurrection beforehand?

This is what convinced me that night that Christian apologetics was truly a sham. It's pseudo-intellectual hackwork aimed at raping reason and keeping people in the fold. The problem is that exposes hypocrisy in the long run and shows that it's moreover Evangelists who are the real spin-doctors and hacks and probably not so much of the critics. There are no doubt that some critics truly are guilty of the charges leveled at them by Evangelicals. The problem is that quite a number of Evangelicals aren't really in a position to compain about it.

I appreciate any questions, comments, and criticisms. Insults needn't apply!

Matthew

16 comments:

Anonymous said...

Mark Smith of www.jcnot4me.com wrote this:

I had to suffer thru an excruciatingly long & boring lecture of Dr. Craig's at Calvary Chapel, in Costa Mesa, California, just for the chance of asking him about these pages.

I set up the following scenario:

Dr. Craig, for the sake of argument let's pretend that a time machine gets built. You and I hop in it, and travel back to the day before Easter, 33 AD. We park it outside the tomb of Jesus. We wait. Easter morning rolls around, and nothing happens. We continue to wait. After several weeks of waiting, still nothing happens. There is no resurrection- Jesus is quietly rotting away in the tomb.
I asked him, given this scenario, would he then give up his Christianity? Having seen with his own eyes that there was no resurrection of Jesus, having been an eyewitness to the fact that Christianity has been based upon a fraud and a lie, would he NOW renounce Christianity? His answer was shocking, and quite unexpected.

He told me, face to face, that he would STILL believe in Jesus, he would STILL believe in the resurrection, and he would STILL remain a Christian. When asked, in light of his being a personal eyewitness to the fact that there WAS no resurrection, he replied that due to the witness of the "holy spirit" within him, he would assume a trick of some sort had been played on him while watching Jesus' tomb. This self-induced blindness astounded me.

Does this not say it all! There is no way in hell that his experience of the Holy Spirit can in any way, shape, or form, be more reliable than his own two eyes!

Anonymous said...

"If someone seeks to use reason as an end in itself, that person is an honest inquirer; if someone seeks to use reason as a means to an end, that person is a spin-doctor."

I'd love to see how you got to this conclusion using reason as an end in itself. Please demonstrate. :-)

Unknown said...

Calvindude said: "I'd love to see how you got to this conclusion using reason as an end in itself. Please demonstrate. :-)"

I love good sarcasm when I see it!

Matthew

Unknown said...

John,

For a moment there, I thought that Mark Smith had posted in response to here. I wonder if the scenario described by Mr. Smith really did happened as described. I know that a big Craig fan (and some arrogant-assed apologist) who goes by the name Kris Key has called Smith a liar. For what I am not sure but both Key and Frank Walton seem to have a dirt-poor opinion of Mr. Smith. I personally don't know him but I'd be interested in seeing what he has to say.

Matthew

Anonymous said...

i enjoy your site, which is interesting since i am a christian. ive been spending the better part of the last two years trying to figure out exactly what kind of christian i am. i have a degree in theology/history from a Jesuit university. i disagree with most of what the other "christians" say on this site, on my old blog, and in a lot of other situations.

i hope what i am about to say will make sense. i am not a philosopher, but have learned a lot from "exbeliever" and i wonder if the following holds up to any criticism:

Christianity makes several claims into explaining how the universe works. They insist on the meaning of life, the origins of that which we see around us and, most importantly, traits and characteristics of God. Most Christians form their understanding of these characteristics from reading the Bible.

Now, Atheists disagree with the Christian contention of a Supreme Being. Instead, as i understand it, the atheist relies upon a world and a universe which operates by way of natural laws, evolution (broadly speaking) and other governing, and impersonal forces. i hope that i have accurately, if incompletely, described the system of atheism.

what Christians do not admit often enough is that our way of explaining life and the world is based wholly upon faith. Jesus himself said: "Blessed is he who believes, and has not seen" If we KNEW there were a God, if we KNEW Jesus was raised from the dead, and if we KNEW we were going to spend eternity in heaven, then there would be no reason for using the word faith. The christian must admit that her or his explanations for how the universe works COULD be as far from reality as the atheist contends.

now, i also believe the same to be true for the atheist. we are all human beings. our minds are finite, and our answers are few, no matter what tradition or system of beliefs we adhere to. All of the reasoning put forth on this site, as comforting as it may be for the atheist, could, in the end, be just as far from reality as the Christian seems to be. in other words, the atheist, being human, is constrained by the same limitations suffered by the Christian: they are both human. its funny that the Christians, in order to comfort themselves, made up a doctrine that when they die, all will be made known to them. well, guess what? maybe not! perhaps thats just another hole in the sand in which Christians stick their heads to hide from uncertainty.

do i think agnosticism is the way to go then? By no means! (yes, my Paulinism is tongue-in-cheek). the problem of the agnostic is that she or he will not commit to ANYTHING, religious or otherwise. True agnosticism admits lack of knowledge in ANY area of spirituality. I personally have more respect for the person who takes the risk of commitment to SOMETHING, be it Christianity, Satanism or atheism.

my main point is that both the atheist and the Christian could be wrong. The christian usually has the hardest time admitting this, but fairly speaking the atheist sometimes resists the possibility that they will indeed stand before some kind of God. it seems to me that the atheist follows somewhat of an Einsteinian definition of God. He was NOT a Christian as some Righters will insist. What he meant by God was simply the ruling forces of the universe that he observed. The Christian, though, insists on calling these forces God, and then attributing certain traits and characteristics based on what he or she reads in the Bible.

Another part of christianity criticized by the atheist is that the Christian uses her or his religion as a basis for behavior. Going past simply having a worldview,the Christian ACTS a certain way using "faith" as a justificiation for decision-making. This produces flawed and widely varying consequences such as: the Holocaust, Crusades, Salem witch hunts, burnings, slavery and much, much more... sadly. Christians pretend that their behavioral model is derived from some objective source known as the Bible. Unfortunately, that CANNOT be true. THERE IS NO objectivity in relation to using the Bible upon which to build one's moral and ethical standard. For every Christian on earth, there is a different model! as it has been observed, anyone can make any biblical passage say anything at any time.
My question is, what does the atheist employ in order to live a controlled and productive life? I'm not getting into the debate on natural law or humanism... but then again, maybe i am. It seems that the atheist's morality is just as subjective as the Christian's. where does that leave all of us? it leaves us to compromise and agree to all become Buddhists: no GOD for everyone, but a god for whomever wants one, plus a fantastic set of ethics and philosophies upon which to build a society.

This does nothing to discuss the person of Jesus, and that's on purpose. The Jesus phenomenon is what sets apart Christianity from every other religion. Normatively, Christianity is nearly identical to Judaism, Islam and even Buddhism. it's that darn eschatology that gets in the way.

thanks for allowing me to post. like i said, reading through these posts and comments, i find myself at odds with the Christians who post, at least in their tools of reasoning. "Exbeliever," make sure you let me know how i do philosophically. i would like to develop some philosophical tools here too. basically, i will be using all of you to better myself intellectually. i would like to comment regularly on this blog as a Christian with very different goals and ideas.
thanks again.

Anonymous said...

Matthew, what do you think Frank Walton thinks of me?

Nihlo said...

What Frank Walton thinks is of little consequence. He's loud, but unconvincing.

Twitch, of course every proposition or set of propositions (such as the set of Christian propositions or the atheist proposition) can possibly be false. That is tautological. However, there are good reasons to suppose that Christianity is false, and atheism is not.

The Uncredible Hallq said...

Yeah, being diskliked by Frank Walton is a point in Smith's favor. It is interesting to note that Walton doesn't dispute the story. His response to Smith's claim was to ask "what else is new?":

http://www.geocities.com/atheismsucks/contrablondie.htm#Comments%20on%20Craig's%20Book:%20Reasonable%20Faith

Don't take me as saying that this is conclusive, though. It would probably be unfair to take Walton as representative of Craig's views.

I am a little uneasy about Smith, though. The whole site, though it makes some good points, is a little amaturish, so I'm not sure what to think.

exbeliever said...

twitch,

I'm glad you found your way to this site. It will be good to hear from a vastly different Christian voice. Most of the discussions, here, are most appropriately aimed at Evangelical Christianity, but I'm sure that some of it will be general enough to include more "liberal" Christians as well.

In your comment, you are comparing "Christianity" to "atheism." This is not really a legitimate comparison. "Atheism" is truly only comparable to "theism," not a religion like Christianity. This is quite different.

Atheism is not a world view per se (though I generally adopt that term when speaking to presuppositionalists because it is so ingrained in their thinking and I don't want to spend time on it).

Theism is also not a world view per se.

A theist is somone who has a belief in a god. An atheist is someone who does not have a belief in a god.

An atheist, then, does not have to hold a negative belief in the existence of a god (he or she may have never heard of one), but can simply not have any belief in a god.

Similarly, a theist can believe there is a god without being a Christian or belonging to any world religion.

You wrote: "the atheist relies upon a world and a universe which operates by way of natural laws, evolution (broadly speaking) and other governing, and impersonal forces."

While this is generally true, it is not necessarily so. Your statement is true of a naturalist (which is a world view many atheists hold), but an atheist could believe in the supernatural without believing in a god.

The atheists who post here are not necessarily concerned with "explaining how the universe works." We are primarily concerned with the rationality of one particular belief, viz. the existence of a god.

We are convinced that there is no good reason to believe that a god exists. We invite Christians and other theists to present any good reason they have for believing. When presented with those arguments, we will evaluate them and make a decision based on the arguments' soundness.

Because most of us have a Christian background and believe that Christianity is mostly a negative force in society, we are often "antiChristian." We believe that particular concept of a god is harmful to society (I believe this is equally true of all of the major world religions).

Anyway, I've got a class to go to.

We would be delighted to know your personal reasons for believing a god exists.

Edwardtbabinski said...

Mark Smith's website is easy to remember and easy to google, just type the following in the google search box:

JCnot4me

Once you're at his website's main page, click on the "Set Free Table of Contents" seen at the top, and then scroll down to his two pieces on "William Lane Craig."

Mark Smith is also one of the few atheists who has followed the rise of the Preterism movement in post-Y2K Christianity (Preterism is an alternative to the "Left Behind" theology of dispenstionalist Christians. Preterism instead is an eschatological interpretation of many "end of the age" and "coming again" verses in the N.T. to try and make many of them refer to the destruction of Jerusalem rather than read as predictions of a near and literal final judgment of the world).

J. P. Holding as well as the web-founder of "Theology Web," are both defenders of preterism. (There are also two major classes of Preterists, partial and full, who spare no little amount of energy attacking each other's views.)

I have an article myself that points out "near final judgment" predictions seen in both the New Testament Gospels and Letters, i.e., verses that indicate such predictions Existed, contra both Preterists and Dispensationalists. My article is easy to google, "The Lowdown on God's Showdown." I have been toying with writing a second part to that article to address Preteristic interpretations directly.

Anonymous said...

Scroll down here to see Mark Smith defend his comments.

He had Dr. Craig sign his book, and as a former student I recognize that signature, yes I do. It's unique, and from what I can tell is his.

Smith was called a liar. Here is how he responded:

Let me start with the "liar" accusation first. I am sort of glad that these kind of accusations are made, as they indicate the difficulty of the average Christian to really believe what Craig said to me. The nameless poster seems to be short circuiting because what Craig SAID seems to contradict alot of what Craig WROTE. I guess the poster assumes infallibility for Craig then, as he can't ponder the possibility of someone contradicting themself. In fact, this astonishment, this "I can't believe Craig believes that" is the EXACT reason I got Craig to sign the page in his book for me, indicating he really DID believe what he wrote there, as well as why I asked him about the Time Machine scenario. I wanted to give him every opportunity to explain what he REALLY meant. And he did. And that's what's got the poster confused. As for making up this stuff, it's in Craig own book- there is NOTHING I need to make up! I even put a JPEG photograph of the most offending page right on my Contra Craig web site, complete with the Craig signature, signed in the presence of SEVERAL Christians who were standing in a small group around Craig and myself that night at Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa, California. As for the Time Machine question, that same group of Christians were there for THAT as well.

Irrational comment} So??? That's my whole POINT!!! Craig IS irrational!!! Anyone who would give more credence to a little voice in his head than to cold hard facts is, by definition, irrational. And as for Craig saying things that contradict what he said or wrote earlier, welcome to the real world! We are not infallible, we ALL say some things that contradict things said earlier. So what??? Is the poster implying that Craig CAN NOT contradict himself and therefore Mark Smith must by lying???

Book comment} The poster asked: HOW could anyone read a single book Craig wrote and come away with that opinion??? I'll tell you how: IT'S IN CRAIG'S OWN DAMN BOOK "Reasonable Faith" AS PLAIN AS DAY (see photograph below), which is why to make it even MORE plainer I asked him the Time Machine question, and to remove ALL doubt, I asked Craig to put his John Hancock on the page in question. But in spite of all of these, this numbskull Christian STILL can't see it! The extent of Christian BLINDNESS never ceases to amaze me.

At the bottom of the 3rd paragraph Craig writes: "The fact is that we can know the truth whether we have rational arguments or not". That statement, indeed, this whole page, clearly shows that Craig is against rationality if and when rationality turns against his religion of choice. Craig doesn't need any facts to "back up" the resurrection- a little voice already gave him all the "proof" he himself needs- and he's already ruled out a-priori any facts that, heaven forbid, go AGAINST the supposed resurrection: even himself as his own eyewitness proving nothing happened on Easter morning via the Time Machine.

Edwardtbabinski said...

I forgot to add that the Secular Web has a nice assortment of articles that reply to Craig's apologetics arguments:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/theism/christianity/craig.html

In other words, go to
http://www.infidels.org
then click on library, modern library, theism, christianity sections to get to the list of Christian apologists and the critiques of their works at the Secular Web. It's a handy page to bookmark.

Anonymous said...

Mark Smith responds. (He tried unsuccesfully to post this then just e-mailed it to me):

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Mark Smith (JCnot4me.com) here}}}

What Dr. Craig said to me was, and still is, astounding. Astounding, and hard to believe. But the answer he gave to my hypothetical was only an accurate application of what he had written on page 37 in his book "Reasonable Faith". The reason I had attended his lecture that night (August 26, 1998)at Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa, California, was to give him a chance to affirm or deny what he had written in his book. As you can see from my web site, he not only affirmed what he had written, he was willing to sign and date the very page.

See this.

As for Frank Walton (if that is his real name- I have my doubts), Frank was NOT there that night. Dr. Craig was. Cary Cook was. Robert Hitchcock & Beverly Ashley were. And so were Bob & Gretchen Passintino of "Answers in Action". There were about a dozen other people also standing around Dr. Craig when I asked him my question. Frank can (and will) believe what he wants, and no one- not even Dr. Craig- can ever change a mind like Walton's.

The bottom line is this: what Craig said was consistent with what he had written in his book. It should come as no shock. But maybe, since there are so many Christians out there who seem to doubt what Craig said, maybe someone should, at one of Criag's debates, while video camcorders are rolling, ask him the question again. Then the video can be posted to the web, seeing how a signed and dated "John Hancock" from Craig is not enough for someone like Frank.

--Mark Smith
JCnot4me@aol.com

Anonymous said...

For the record, I would still like to consider Bill Craig my friend, and so I will not bash him as a person. He's a nice guy.

Personal attacks on him will not be done by me. I like to show respect to everyone, so long as they show respect to me, and Craig does this.

The Uncredible Hallq said...

I don't doubt that he's a nice guy. His position here, however, is stunningly irrational, and there's no reason to avoid saying so. It's to the point where it's pathetic in the sense of sympathy-evoking. That's why it's interesting for me to try to understand why he'd take such a position, why I speculated he does so because he couldn't find meaning without Christianity. (An idea I was hoping you'd comment on, John, though you never did. Was it out of a desire to avoid saying anything negative about him?)

Anonymous said...

I do not think Craig's position is irrational. I do think that his position is exceedingly implausible though. There is no smoking gun type of an argument that will be decisive between those people who hold to different control beliefs, because reason is used to serve our control beliefs. How can you reason someone out of their control beliefs? That's the question.

In the very first comment I made to Matthew's above post, the last words after quoting Mark Smith were mine. There I wrote:

Does this not say it all! There is no way in hell that his experience of the Holy Spirit can in any way, shape, or form, be more reliable than his own two eyes!

I criticize Craig's views, but I have a deep respect for him, in that, anyone who can do what he has done on behalf of such a series of control beliefs deserves my respect, even if I vehemently disagree.

Hallq: That's why it's interesting for me to try to understand why he'd take such a position, why I speculated he does so because he couldn't find meaning without Christianity. (An idea I was hoping you'd comment on, John, though you never did.

Intelligent Christians must believe the Holy Spirit creates faith. 1st) because the Bible seems to indicate this; 2nd)because anything in history can be doubted, and not be a firm enough foundation for daming someone to hell.

Some believe like Craig, that the HS does this on its own. Most Christian theologians like Augustine, Calvin and Barth believe the H.S. creates faith through the preaching of the "Word." Others believe that historical evidences are used by the Spirit to create faith (evidences). But in one shape or another it is the H.S. that creates faith.